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 Posted 08/16/2014  12:28 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Kaboel to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have looked through 150$ in pennies and I can't find a single variety I have some written down and what to look for but does anyone have a "common" variety that I can find to help me get my feet wet?
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 Posted 08/16/2014  12:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 7TF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Look at some silver dollars and start to learn how to VAM them. You can do this with online photos via ebay and heritage auctions. You can learn about varieties on VAMworld. I have been collecting and looking at coins for a long time and have never found any real variety cents. They are difficult to see without really good loop and most guys use microscope to photograph the coins which makes it easy to identify them. The rare ones are very far and few between. You might have to go through $1,000 worth of pennies to find a $20 coin. some people are much more lucky with them than others. I have better luck looking for errors in cents, and key date wheat cents. My best find in a box of pennies was a 1914-D Wheat cent that I sold for $40 on ebay. My best find in Half Dollar rolls was a 1938-D half that I sold for $100, I found a few other common date silver halves but it was really lucky to find the 38-D walker. Morgan dollars are the easiest thing I have found to find rare varieties in. Learn how to VAM them and then start hitting the coin stores and auction sites. You will find something worth buying that could make you a few bucks quickly.
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 Posted 08/16/2014  12:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AMB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Patience!! I'm totally new to the error coins, forget double dies (those who know my struggle are giggling right now). However if you can get you hands on any 1950's pennies there are so many worthless odd and wear varieties it's a start. Then re-punch mint marks...easy to find and a great curiosity to look at...but you need some magnification device...30x at least to see the entire error clearly. Easiest way to begin on those: look for divided serifs on the South Pole of D's...S's are a little more tricky.
Obvious ones are out there but tons of lesser valuable ones all over. AMB
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Are you searching bank rolls, obw, circulated? I found that the more threads I read and the more I looked the more I found.

Do you have a good loupe (microscope or magnifying lens) if the power is not high you might not be able to see the varieties easy.

Do you have good reference to check against?

Good book reference to have on hand: Cherry Pickers Guide & Strike it rich with pocket change
Coppercoins & Variety Vista are good for reference also

Things you find post here and people will help you with them.

I would look for re-punched mint-marks are the easiest to start with the DDO & DDR

Most Wheat Cents & Memorial Cents Denver or San Fransisco Mint marks rpms on date up to 1989D

Once you get familiar with different varieties for example Wide AM's and Close AM's if you look at every 2000-P odds are after a awhile you will find one but it could be today it could be 9 months from now.

If you have some 1970 and 1960 small date large date, or copper, zinc, large and small dates from 1982 odds are they are different varieties.

RDV's 1988 P&D-Mint transitional design coins


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 Posted 08/16/2014  01:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kaboel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A few things I have learned is I need better magnification and patience iam searching bank rolls and stored circulation change from familiy and friends. I order Cherry Pickers Guide I hope it helps thanks guys
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 Posted 08/16/2014  12:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Keep you stash and when you get a better thing for magnification, take another look at your coins. You eye may not be trained yet to see what RPMs and Doubled die varieties? It take time to develop the eye. When I first started searching 1200 wheat cents, I found one 1956D-1MM-001. (The most obvious find.) I reported this one and then my instructor told me to look again. The second time through I found two more RPMs. It takes a while for the eye to recognize that you need to note differences, and so I continued to search a few more times. But the batch I had just the three RPMs. So I set them aside and search them again a few months later. When I was finally sure, then I sold them about a year later. So training the eye doesn't come quickly. I still save my rolls of OBW cents in case I need to search them again. But now I usually find what I'm looking for, Still save BU and AU coins for another search in case a new find comes up. The circulated, damaged, spotted distracting coins I send back to the bank.

But on your coins you may have got 150 coins that someone already searched through, or may people have already searched through already. So don't give up. Your eye may not have developed yet. So keep looking at them from time to time.
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 Posted 08/16/2014  3:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Kaboel, looking for cent varieties and errors is the best way to go as a new collector. Not sure about your budget but, this is the cheapest way to go. A $25.00 box with .50 cents a roll is a lot of cents to go thru.
The advice from the other members is great!
There is a lot of time but, it will be interesting to find one.
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 Posted 08/17/2014  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jayman931 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I made a excel sheet with all known (well not minor ones) Doubled Dies from 1960's or so to present. I have each year separated into Denver and Philly. I also created hyperlinks so you can click on each specific mint mark and year and it will go to Coppercoins.com to the best example of DD for that year and mm. I would email it to anyone who wants it.
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 Posted 08/17/2014  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jack jeckel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I gave up on WAM's after setting all 1998-2000 P cents aside from 30 boxes and not finding a single one.

Now I just set 1971 / 1972 aside hoping for a DDO.

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Jack - found another 2000 WAM today so don't give up just yet. Sounds like the WAM is like the RDV006 for me; I keep flipping and finding RDV005. I'll find one though - they have to be out there.

Good luck folks!
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DO NOT GET DISCOURAGED. If these things were easy to find they would have no value at all. They are called "rare" for a reason. One tip for folks new to variety hunting:
When searching a large amount of coins like a brick from the bank or one of these so called "unsearched" lots from the bay, try sorting your coins by decade first, then by year. I then sort each year by mint P, D, and S. I look at all the P coins from a particular year all at the same time. I then proceed to D, and the S. I then move to the next year. When you do this your eyes will pick up on subtle differences in the coins. The varieties or oddities will almost jump out at you. I also like to go to websites like Copper Coins when searching Lincolns and look at the varieties listed for that particular year and mint. This gives me ageneral idea of the devices to concentrate on when looking at them. Here is a photo of a sorting box I made several years ago. I still use it when searching large lots of wheat cents. It really helps. I picked up the plastic trays for 5/$1 at the dollar store, and made the box out of cardboard cut to size for what I was making.
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When I got my first box of cents I went to the Lincoln Cent Resource website and made a bin for each major variety.

I set each one aside box after box.

After 40 boxes I found a 1980 minor doubling of the date and a 1971 DDO something.

No WAM's

Everyone else finds WAM's by the boatload.

All I set aside now are the coppers to sell and 1969S, 1970S, 1971, and 1972.

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 Posted 08/18/2014  12:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kaboel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys iam not getting discouraged but because I don't have the right magnification I have been working solo on the WAM and this info has been very helpful I will continue to try this I have just begone collecting and iam having a blast just looking for wheats and WAM been doing nickels and others for silver and key dates, going this alone pretty much as an novice has proved difficult no one I know is into collecting could be my age 25... But I want to go visit a coin store and get some advice face to face while looking a true dd and the later! Thanks for all your help
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As far as getting advice from a local coin dealer, I can say with experience, a majority of typical local dealers have very little knowledge of varieties. Most could not tell you the difference in anerror from a variety. The best place for gathering knowledge on those is right here on the internet and reference books.
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Everyone else finds WAM's by the boatload

No one is finding WAMs by the boatload. If they were the coins would not have the value that they do.


All I set aside now are the coppers to sell.

Do you have a buyer for bronze cents? I have found no interest in them in my area, and have seen little to no interest on ebay. I find nearly 30% bronze in each box, so I am interested in anyone willing to pay a premium.
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I felt the same way you do when I started roll searching three - four years ago. I agree with some others who say to buy the Cherry Pickers Guide (both volumes). I limit my coin searching to rolls of cents and halves. My finds of half dollar varieties number about 10 - 20: 7-1974-D DDO; numerous examples on NO INITIAL halves including a couple that are not listed; also a 1966 and 1967 DDO / DDR Stars.

Cent finds: where do I start!? 1910 S/s; 1972 DDO; 1983 DDR; 1998/1999/2000 Wide "AM's"...the '99 is the best of that group. Probably found 10 - 15 '98s and 20+ 2000's. Looking to sell many of those. Already sold the '72DDO and '83DDR. 2006 Doubled ear; 1961 D/d; 1960 Sm. Date; and maybe 25+ Indian heads including an '08-S (sold it). An '88 with reverse of the '89; and an '89 with the reverse of the '88--both called transitional errors.

I get a box of halves every two weeks and a box of cents about once every 8 - 10 days. I have a great magnifier (a 135mm camera lens from a broken camera), a great light, throw away surgical gloves (coins are sooooooooo filthy), tubes to hold my "finds" and of course the Cherry Pickers Guide although I know what I'm looking for.

For those not aware, besides the '92 Close AM, '93, '98, '99, '00 Wide AMs, there is also a '96 Wide AM out there. I have not found the '84 DDO (doubled ear); nor the '83 Copper cent (only one found thus far).

I think I'm the only member of my local coin club that is an active roll searcher and what they fail to realize is that I have a chance (albeit a small chance) of finding any particular error or variety; but if they're not looking, they have ZERO chance.

Don't give up and enjoy the relaxing alone time!
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