A Pretty Bizarre 5 Kopek Fake/Counterfeit (Copper Plated Lead)

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gxseries Pillar of the Community Australia 3831 Posts	Posted 08/16/2014 09:57 am This coin has sparked an interest when I first saw it. While Swedish counterfeits of such 5 kopek are known and are quite rare, this brings counterfeit to a new level. Presenting a copper plated lead 5 kopek. Yes, this is copper plated lead. If you ask me, an original coin of 1796 AM 5 kopek is not terribly rare. Details are relatively good despite it's condition. While 5 kopek coins were common back then, this was still worth a fair amount of money. Therefore I believe this is a contemporary counterfeit that circulated back then. I could be wrong and this may be part of a more modern counterfeit. What do you reckon? My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseries My numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htm Regularly updated at least once a month. Report this Post to the Staff

sel_69l Bedrock of the Community Australia 21786 Posts	Posted 08/16/2014 10:38 am In it's contemporary setting it would have fooled almost all people, if the plating was wholly intact. To us latter folks who have an interest in numisamtics, the details are mushy. Report this Post to the Staff
Matteproof Pillar of the Community Korea, Republic Of 1881 Posts	Posted 08/16/2014 10:40 am With all the (what looks like to me) circulation wear and green patina, I'd call it a contemporary counterfeit. I like it! Report this Post to the Staff
gxseries Pillar of the Community Australia 3831 Posts	Posted 08/17/2014 07:52 am Details wise, this actually looks very good. I have taken some photos to compare against. I just happened to have the same type and mint by coincedence even though I am not a big fan of this type of coinage. You can see where the plating clearly Edge of the traces of copper Couldn't take a good photo of the lead side however it's almost smooth The weight of this coin is at 53.80g which is actually within tolerance level of this type of coin. I cannot help wondering if this was actually struck at the mint considering how good the detail is. But again, I don't know of any lead examples. On the other hand, I wonder how easy it was to get lead in such planchet and then copper plate it to make some money out of it. My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseries My numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htm Regularly updated at least once a month. Report this Post to the Staff
austrokiwi Pillar of the Community 2087 Posts	Posted 08/17/2014 12:44 pm I suspect,strongly, that it is an ex museum display electrotype? Rather than electroplated lead it might be a lead filled electrotype.... Electrotype: negative wax impressions of the real coin are made and then electroplated to build up a reasonably thick impression of the coin. then the two electrotypes are joined at the edge ( and are filled). Have a look at the remaining copper on the edge...if it is an electrotype you will see a fine joining line. a counterfeit electroplated coin would not "break" the way your example has. the other evidence that it is an electrotype is that the the design on underlying lead impression is not as sharp as t6hat of the copper cladding. Edited by austrokiwi 08/17/2014 1:09 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Numismat Pillar of the Community United States 1666 Posts	Posted 08/18/2014 11:11 pm I highly doubt it is a museum electrotype, which are done to display coins that are rarities. It makes no sense for a common and easily obtainable coin such as this. Report this Post to the Staff
moneditis Valued Member Spain 110 Posts	Posted 08/19/2014 05:14 am Annensk mint is sufficiently rare for counterfeiting, so... I have seen much less scarce 5 kopeks counterfeits http://www.ebay.com/itm/RUSSIA-1796...251349346656 Edited by moneditis 08/19/2014 05:17 am Report this Post to the Staff
coinworldtv Pillar of the Community Austria 566 Posts	Posted 08/20/2014 1:08 pm Wow, this is the first 5 kopeks counterfeit coin of this type, that I have ever seen. Amazing piece, it must be very old, probably contemporary. Report this Post to the Staff
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A Pretty Bizarre 5 Kopek Counterfeit (Copper Plated Lead)