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Pit Your Grading Skills Against PCGS (Grades Posted)

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 Posted 08/20/2007  09:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those are some good looking pictures. What's the chance of you accidentally putting a few of those coins in with mine when you mail them back? I'm not going to comment on my own coins, other than to say I thought my 2 cent was really nice until I saw nohope's, which I think should all get into the MS range.

The Trade dollar looks authentic to me based on the amount of detail & the weight, but looks cleaned. I think the 1916-D will go G-4 if it slabs. I'm going to have to think about the rest before I put my opinion out there.
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 Posted 08/20/2007  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have seen quite a few fake Trade dollars and I have to say I believe it to be genuine as well
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I'm guessing the Trade dollar is genuine but cleaned, having had corrosion removed from the right-side fields. Thundercoin, the "ring test" involves dropping the coin onto a fairly hard surface (a wooden desk would do), to observe the sound the coin makes. Silver has a characteristic ringing sound, and a different alloy or metal would be clearly different-sounding to a trained ear.

I could detect it, but I'm not dropping your coin.

Tykimeister and I have been sweating bullets over his coin, which hadn't arrived as of yesterday. It arrived today, and you'll be seeing pics in an hour or so. It's an 1855 Large Cent in strong AU; I really like it.
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 Posted 08/20/2007  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Thundercoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A quick comment on the 1916-D dime. I think I saw one just like it in a PCGS slab on ebay the other day. I will try to find it. I think the coin, if certified, will only make AG-3. PCGS is pretty strict on these, and there is just a touch too much wear into the letters on this coin, imo. I've been looking at these a lot lately, and think that it falls a touch short of G-4.

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 Posted 08/20/2007  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Thundercoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a 1916-D that is certified by PCGS.

Look at the pretty evident obverse damage to the left of the eye on the front. I think that if this coin can make a slab, so will the one on our forum.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1916-D-Mercury-...VE_W0QQitemZ a href= https://www.coincommunity.com/go/link.asp?target=https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/200142360783 target= _blank rel= nofollow 200142360783 /a QQihZ010QQcategoryZ41091QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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 Posted 08/20/2007  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spider5689 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thundercoin, I hope you're right about it making the grade. That example looks pretty bad. I'm trying to be optimistic about this one.
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 Posted 08/20/2007  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Benji to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
After seeing the 03, I would hope that Spider's holders. The 03 has much more wear and both coins have a somewhat distracting obverse scratch/gouge. Hopefully it holders but, TPGs are anything but consistent. Good Luck to all those who are submitting.
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quote:
Here is a 1916-D that is certified by PCGS.

Look at the pretty evident obverse damage to the left of the eye on the front. I think that if this coin can make a slab, so will the one on our forum.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1916-D-Mercury-...cmdZViewItem



Ooooh. Right between the eyes. That had to hurt.

Well, here's our little latecomer, an 1855 Large Cent belonging to Tykimeister. I note that the dropped last 5 is fairly common with these, but this one looks more pronounced for some reason.

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AU55BN. Fair, I think.
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 Posted 08/20/2007  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, is there wear on Ty's 2 cent? I'm finding it hard to believe there is....
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 Posted 08/20/2007  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nohope587 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The only coin I feel comfortable trying to grade is trdhrdr007's 1864 2Cent
The Obv
The arrows are flat and the tips are blended into the shafts.
The leaf on the Center Left has worn away the Central ridge This always happens on the left before the right because of the relief of the coin. The We is complete but weak. The Horizontal lines on the shield have lost some of their definition on the right hand side.
The Rev
There would appear to be a small amount of rub on the leaves of the wheat stalks on the top and again around the middle of the coin. There are a couple of small scratches in the field. The D is complete so its an earlier Die state and as such the ribbon should be better defined.
Having torn the coin apart I have to say its a very nice example and I wish it were part of my collection.
My Gut says in the AU range but only just. If PCGS note the weakness in the Obv due partly to the slightly off center strike then I say AU53 if they do not attribute the weakness to the off center strike and call it wear then it will come back EF45
I sound convincing don't I. If only I knew what I was talking about.:-)



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 Posted 08/21/2007  08:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That 2 cent WAS part of your collection, you traded it to me earlier in the year for some well circulated halves. You had it attributed as a B2374 in AU53, which I agreed with. SuperDaves photo really highlights the lack of definition on the right side of the shield, making me wonder if it might be an EF45.
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I must have been crazy to let that one go.. At least I am consistent on my grades. I honestly don't remember trading it. It will depend on who grades it as the whether the weaknesses are attributed to strike. It is obvious to me that the coin is slightly off center on the Obv and this will affect the strike quality Also the wear pattern does not indicate anything other than weakness. I will keep my fingers crossed for AU53
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 Posted 08/21/2007  11:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm also hoping for the AU, but regardless of how PCGS grades it, I was happy with the coin when I got it & am still happy with it.
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 Posted 08/21/2007  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Thundercoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wanted to post a couple grades for a couple of the series or coins that I was a little bit more comfortable with.

Tights' 1928 Peace Dollar- XF-40. This is always a tough one because these things are so weakly struck, it is hard to distinguish wear from strike.

Jim's 1914-D Lincoln Cent- VG-10. I thought the reverse was a bit stronger than the obverse. I think that there is enough detail in the hair, and ear to warrant this grade, but not quite enough for fine.

1846 SL dime- Looks like VG-8 to me if it slabs. I am concerned with the mark on this coin at 11 o'clock on the obverse? It looks like a pretty big gouge on the picture.

Jaobler's 1837 SL 1/2 dime- Nice coin. I am not a good judge on darker/toned coins in general, but I feel that this is a solid AU-58. Tough to tell, but I think there could be a trace of wear showing on the highest points. If there isn't any wear, I see it going MS-62.

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 Posted 08/28/2007  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Regarding the 1916-D dime: there seems to be a flattened look to the rim at about 4 o'clock on the obverse, also visible at 2 o'clock on the reverse. It looks like damage to me. At the AG-3 or G-4 level, PCGS might slab the coin even with the obverse scratch, but I would worry about that flattened rim.

Regarding PCGS and cleaning: they specifically told me their policy was to first check for cleaning, on any coin. If they determine it is cleaned, they body-bag it without any further inspection. They will NOT give you an authenticity opinion if they first decide it is cleaned. A bit of a rip-off, I'd say, but that's how they want to run their shop...

I'll venture some grading guesses after I spend some more time studying Dave's terrific photos!
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