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EDIT: The grades are in, the coins are enroute back to me. Participants, check your emails. I'm going to post grades, with comments, in red below each coinOK, here we go. Presented for your grading pleasure are 20 coins, all (probably) to be submitted to PCGS. A couple are open to discussion. Have a go at all of them, or just some, according to your skills. I will be using multiple posts over the nest few minutes to list them all, so wait for a bit before you jump in and grade.  We're going to start with the one I want to get the most attention, an 1877-S Trade dollar from Thundercoin. He has doubts about the authenticity and/or originality of this one. It weighs 27.18g, almost exactly what it should. I did not do the ring test, because it's not my coin. It's my opinion that this one has been dipped. The reeding is toned, but the faces are not. You'll note hairlines, and possible corrosion in the right-side obverse and reverse fields. There are some fairly strong parallel lines running northwest-southeast on the reverse; in a couple of places these extend onto the devices, but they appear to me to be *in* the strike, and not *on* the strike. In my pics, you can only see these around 420 GRAINS and the DO of DOLLAR, where they extend onto the letters.   This coin was bodybagged for Damage or Tooling. I believe that to be the result of whatever caused the pitting. On the bright side, that reason for grade refusal authenticates the coin.While we're on the subject of Thundercoin, here's his other contribution - an extremely pretty 1885 Indian Head cent. This one is notable for the extreme obverse Die Deterioration, although I believe it to be Master Die or hub deterioration since the date is nice and sharp.    Thundercoin went 0-for-2, as this one was bodybagged for Questionable Color. I disagree, but it's possible that it was chemically treated.
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Next up is Tights24. His first contribution is a 1928-P Peace dollar, one of the keys to the series:   PCGS AU58. This is one of the two real bright spots in the submission.Second, an 1878-P Morgan acquired from Bryan1315. We've been going around and around whether this one, currently in a PCGS MS64 rattler, upgrades to 65 or not. In-hand, the coin has a kind of dull toning, but under good lighting the color jumps out at you. My pics don't do it justice.   Cracked and remained MS64.Lastly, a stupendous 2006 ASE. The question is, does it see PF70? I honestly think not, especially in view of PCGS' tightened policy. My pics don't really matter in this case; the difference between PF69 and PF70 is not to be determined without the coin in-hand. It sure is pretty, though.   Not submitted for lack of minimum submission. |
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Now for three of the more interesting contributions, from Spider5689. First, a 1916-D Mercury dime. This one has obvious post-mint damage on the obverse, but it's the key to the series. Does it slab, or not?   No Grade for Damage or Tooling. I believe the gouge in the hair doomed this one.Next, a very pretty 1939-D Jefferson nickel. I think I have the color right; it's beautiful in-hand.   AU58. Huh? I don't know Jeffersons - is this realistic?Last, a 1963-D Franklin half. Don't let the milkspots deceive you. This one is so close to FBL, I think the ding on them is all that stops it.   MS62, apparently not Full Bands. I disagree with the grade. |
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We move on to trdhrdr007. First, an 1856 Large Cent, having very few distractions to the eye. I'd own it.   MS64BN! Only 25 graded higher in BN. This one, like the 1928 Peace, seriously breaks PCGS's $300 value limit for Economy submissions.Now, the first of a few 2 Cents you'll be seeing. Note the rim Cuds on the obverse, and what looks like a retained Die Cud over STATES on the reverse.   AU55BN. Frankly, a couple points higher than I expected.Finally, an 1880-S Morgan. This one isn't going to be submitted; it's not all that valuable. However, it's a nice representation of just how good Morgan strikes could be. You expect an 1880-S to be strongly struck and frosty, and this coin delivers.   |
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Keep em coming Dave. You sure have been busy!! Beautiful pics. As for the grading of each, I will wait. However, in regards to Thundercoins Trade dollar, if that's a fake, it's a really really good one in my opinion. I have been comparing to close-ups of numerous slabbed dollars, and not one single thing really sticks out. Having said that, something still doesn't seem quite right. Maybe it's the stars, maybe it's the date, maybe it's her left hand.....  I'd be hard pressed to think that someone made this nice of a forgery to the correct weight. Regardless, great pics Dave. I have a feeling you will see a ton of "thank you's", so let me be the first. Looks like the rain out at Michigan has given you time to post early...  |
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Jim1953's contribution begins with a 1914-D Lincoln Cent, one of the keys to the series:   PCGS VF20. Hello, $400+ coin. A point of light. Next, an 1883 Shield nickel. This one shows such heavy Die Deterioration on the legend, it's almost filled:   No Grade, Altered Surface. I believe the reverse hairlines scared them.Here's an 1881 Three Cent Nickel:   AU53. I've no opinion, as I don't know the series.Last, an 1846 Seated dime. With a mintage of only 31,300, it's one of the keys to the series:   No Grade, Damage or Tooling. Probably for the dent in the left obverse field. |
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Last, but by no means least, we have the contribution of Jaobler. We'll begin with a 1922 Grant Commemorative, a coin which is far nicer in-hand than my cruel lens depicts it:   PCGS didn't think it was nice. No Grade, Altered Surface. I honestly don't understand why.Next, an 1878-P 8TF I tentatively attribute as VAM-19:   MS63. Works for me.I have as many shutter snaps on this next coin, a 1952 Washington quarter, as the rest of them combined. This is my first real serious toner, and I'm here to tell you, it ain't as easy as it looks to get it right. I'm still not satisfied with it. Added to which, it's likely a Gem:   This one's at NGC, hopin' for a star. Lastly, we have the one coin of this whole thread I'd most like to see in my own collection. It's a barely-circulated, if at all, 1837 Half Dime. I tell you plainly, my pics can in no way show the wondrous luster underlying the dark color; there's no mistaking in-hand that you're holding a very special coin.   Call the police. A crime has been committed. PCGS bodybagged this one for Altered Surface. No. |
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Wow, Dave. You have put in some work. Thank you so much for all of the time and effort. I especially appreciate your effort on my coins. They have never looked so good. Jim  |
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I'm just enjoying the show. Fantastic.
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Me thinks I should have pulled some of the RED ones from the box instead of the brown ones Hopefully I'll get a few MS grades on those three :-) The problem with great pictures is you see stuff you missed before.
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Excellent photos Dave and great coins by the board. I am interested to see how that 16d 10c turns out. I would guess BB by PCGS but NGC may squeeze it into an FR02 holder.
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Dave, excellent work you did a fantastic job on those pictures. I'm crossing my fingers that my Merc will grade. Although I can't see FR02, since the date is clearly visable. If it grades, I'm hoping for G-4. As for the 1939-D Jefferson, I didn't know it could look that good.
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I have a couple quick questions for Dave, (or anyone else who can answer them for that matter.) When talking about my Trade dollar you mentioned the "ring test" for authenticity. What is the "ring test?" Also, let's say we decide to send it in to PCGS. If they bodybag it for being cleaned, but find it to be authentic, will they send information saying exactly why it was bodybagged, and letting us know that it is authentic? |
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Awesome pics! I love the coins guys :)
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Thunder, If they believe the coin to be cleaned they will label it as PF/MS92 "Cleaned" if not it is NOT authentic they will label it as PF/MS90 "Not Genuine" If has been cleaned and is not authentic they will label the flip with both but, on the posted grades and grades emailed to submitter it will only post as one or the other. Going by denticle count, it appears to be genuine. http://www.pcgs.com/grades.chtml |
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