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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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curious to know how others would feel about a website using photos of coins (owned by you, photos taken by you) without asking first? in my case it is a well know website, however it is also a non-commercial site (as far as I know they don't even ask for donations). while part of me feels ok with my coin(s) helping others as far as education goes, another part of me is a little ticked off that they would use my work without at least giving a tip of the hat or saying 'hey can we use your photo?' the only place the photo in question was displayed was here on CCF, so it would've been pretty easy to get a hold of me while they were click-copying. kind of ironic that their website is copyrighted and protected so that no one can click-copy "their" work (cant copy the full image, just the thumbnail). should I be bent out of shape? or am I being too petty? CCF posted image;  "borrowed" image;  Edited by Wade
08/23/2014 12:03 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Well I got scolded before because I did something similar to do a comparison of 2 coins, So I guess the answer is its up to you..I would not care but I know others take this seriously.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Do you still own the coin? They should have the decency to ask your permission. They've done some adjustments, so they know what they're doing. Photographers come across this fairly regularly with different images and it's not easy to know how to proceed. If you're okay with them using it, send them a note letting them know you would have liked them to at least ask. If you're not okay, send them a less-friendly note telling them to take it down.
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Is it possible the image predates your ownership of the token? It's been there since at least February 2013. Almost a year before you posted your pics on this forum.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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08/23/2014 12:32 pm
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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DBM, I suppose that is possible (which is why I did not include the website in question in my original post), by very unlikely considering I bought the coin from a non-collector in Alaska.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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When did you buy it?
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Canada
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I could never understand why people get so up tight about others using pics that they own? Just my opinion.
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I could never understand why people get so up tight about others using pics that they own? Just my opinion. It's intellectual property. While a snapshot of a coin may not seem like a big deal, it's skirting the issue of doing something yourself. The photographer owns that image, like you may own a lawnmower. I could buy my own mower, but I happen to like yours and it's in the garage next door, so it's much easier than buying my own. |
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DBM, cant find it in my 'purchase history' going back to 2012 so it pre-dates that. I'm looking to see if I can find the first time I posted the photo (I suppose it's possible that the pictures came from ebay - not that it technically changes the situation that much) brexzz1, if you wrote a book or a song and someone copied it and was selling it would you be upset? I get that instances such as this aren't even close to the same degree of infringement, but it is still an infringement (morally if not legally). I'm actually not that uptight about it, but that's only because its a non commercial website (although they do get ad revenues based on traffic) and I don't make my living taking photos (but what if that was how I put food on the table?) when it comes to digital (non-tangible) goods I will admit the question of use and ownership gets a little more obscured (intent of the user, profits derived, etc) however a digital barrier is not really any different than the lock on your front door. just because the door isn't locked doesn't mean people can just walk in and take whatever they want. just a respect thing I guess. if someone asks to use a photo I can't see too many instances where most of us would say 'no you can't'. if a photo comes from ebay then I guess it's their "issue". |
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cant find it in my 'purchase history' going back to 2012 so it pre-dates that. Now it's sounding more likely that it is your photo. If it is they are using it for more than just "educational" purposes. It's now part of a reference and price guide,is the ad there a revenue stream? In this instance if it is your photo, they should have asked your permission and/or given you credit. I suggest you contact lightw4re and get to the bottom of this. The best Canadian coin forum and reference was dismantled and virtually abandoned over this type of copyright issue. Nip it in the bud before the self-appointed copyright police launch an attack on the coinsandcanada site. "Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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08/23/2014 2:20 pm
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Like I said, it is just my opinion. I have seen my photos used many times on other peoples ebay listings. Doesn't bother me one bit. |
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I may be wrong, but upon close examination, it looks to me like 2 different photos of the same coin.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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there is a very minor degree of rotation difference in the 2 photos. that's not something that most would go to the trouble to do if "borrowing" a photo but its possible someone was just trying to straighten/level it out. I've also have gone through a couple of PCs/hard-drives in the last few years and it also possible that the reference photo I posted (black background) isn't the exact carbon copy but instead one of many that I took and posted (it just happens to be the one I have access to on my current drive). again, it's also possible that the web photo is from the original ebay listing (if so it's not my problem). I'm not going to search though several computers and 1,000s of photos and/or 1000s of posts (here and on other sites) to find the exact match, but will probably drop them a note about the situation so that they aren't affected like the site DBM is referring to. (if it happened to me then its possible the same thing has happened to someone else who might not also take a soft stance) my intention was never to 'call out' the website directly. I saw the photo, assumed (99.9%) that it was mine and was trying to create a discussion in order to get other's opinions of the circumstances so that I could get a little more perspective on the overall issue. Edited by Wade
08/23/2014 3:26 pm
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Canada
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Well IMO if someone uses your photos for commercial use, like ebay or Kijiji, then I'd be mad too and ask to have it taken down. But if a coin catalogue online uses your picture then it should be nice to have like a watermark or a note saying it's from you. |
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I think I was taught somewhere in grade 4 or 5 that if you copied or referenced an idea, picture, graph or something you didn't come up with on your own you had to make cite the source. Now I like the C&C site and I think it's a great educational tool to look at the coins and see what they look like...
I have in fact opened one window with the pictures on that site and had the powerpoint from Mr. Marshall and tried to do a comparative to learn the differences between "real" and fake coins...
I honestly don't think you have much to get mad about.. I personally would be happy if one of my photos was up on that site.. but I think it wouldn't be too far of a stretch to show the source of the photo.. or give credit where credit is due.
DBM.. I'm curious as to what other site you made reference to.. and if it's still around... I personally am on this educational kick... for the next year I`m going to try to limit my purchases of coins to no more than 5 per year but instead I want to focus on my educational library and find some (other) good web sites from which I can learn a whole lot more about this hobby... (if you don`t feel comfortable mentioning the site here in the open would you mind PM`ing me... )
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