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Another 1902 Indian Head

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 Posted 09/01/2014  01:23 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add 6thCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello everyone
I was considering getting this graded and would like your opinion on what it would get? that's a piece of lint coming out of her collar, I just checked the coin and blew it off. just noticed it as I uploaded the pics. Thanks in advance.

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 Posted 09/01/2014  04:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add supgog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Details looks MS. Can't say if surfaces are original or AT.
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Thanks Supgog, I guess one way to find out is to send it in. I have 8 credits with pcgs and this one is a candidate to be sent in.
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 Posted 09/01/2014  07:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think I would send it in,the eye appeal just isn't there..IMHO.
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 Posted 09/01/2014  07:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 6thCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think I did the coin justice with my quick pictures I am going to post the sellers pic to show how it looks at an angle(second image). I bought it really for it's eye appeal, to me. I have enough 1909s for a couple of sets, lol.

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 Posted 09/01/2014  07:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting "feature" on the neck.
Die scratch?
Interested in seeing if that's a diagnostic for a Snow variety.
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 Posted 09/01/2014  08:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add streg2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Color looks suspect to me. Don't quote me but I believe I have read somewhere to "watch out" for this seller.
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Questionable color. I've heard some bad things about the seller as well.
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I'm waiting for my book but until then I'm searching for pictures of the Snow varieties for 1902.
here are some pics from other angles of the area in question. Thanks so much for all your insightful input.
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Again the thought did run through my mind, why wouldn't they have slabbed it as a large organization with the budget and the resources to get it done. One answer, I guess, is that it would get a details only grade?
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 Posted 09/01/2014  08:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yhbearcats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That seller is known for having pictures of coins that are not a true representation of the actual coin itself. To me, it looks like an AU-details coin.

I have never bought from this seller, but from my understanding they are generally very good about accepting returns within the proper timeframe
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Artificially toned, AU details.
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so far the consensus is that it's AU and artificially toned, Thanks for all the input! About natural toning, can it be seen from all angles or when you turn it a certain angle? i.e. is it in the core metal or the lamination on the surface that's getting the tone? I'll be going to my first show in maybe 15 years. speaking of, I pulled out a UK mint set from 1987 and I think I found an error in a proof set. I'm starting a thread in the world error section but I'll include one pic as a tease...

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The coin looks MS, I don't see any wear in any of the photos. As the others have said, the color is questionable. Call this one UNC details. Not worth slabbing.
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I've bought stuff from that seller before. I agree with the other comment (s) regarding the seller. I'm not sure how deceptive their photos are, but they are really good at taking them and showing the coin the the best "light." They could put up higher resolutions photos, or multiple photos of each coin with different, more revealing, less reflective lighting. They clearly have skilled photographers..

They recently changed their policy that they will now no longer offer a grade for raw coins. Probably too many negatives/ returns. They say that you need a "good knowledge of the rare coin business" before you bid. I'm guessing that anyone with a really "good knowledge" would not be buying raw coins at top dollar from them They also say they sell slabbed coins; so yes, I feel they have made a conscious decision to not slab the raw coins they sell. Some of their raw coins go for $500+

If this were a non-details, MS-63+ and it were slabbed, it would go for a lot more $$ than what was paid, and would make up the money for them to have it slabbed.

and a fla-fla-flu-hi to you all...
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