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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I like to post some challenging coins for the forum. I'll give you a few hints on this one. When you guess a grade, please explain how you decided.
- "Halo" luster around the portrait. - Die polish lines, mostly on the obverse. - The O in ONE is weak as well as ME and S. Why do you think that is?
- Strong reverse cartwheel luster. - The patina is amazing, my pics don't capture it, nice deep red but it is a little "splotchy".   
Edited by BadThad 09/11/2014 10:25 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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Nice coin Thad..  I'll grade it MS-63RD, I see just a wee bit of 'rub' on Lincolns cheek and jaw, the reverse is beautiful with great looking wheat stalks and cart wheel luster. Don't like the 'splotches' but other than that, nice hard to get Lincoln in the 30s in that condition.  Oh.. and the O is probably weak because of a bit of grease in the die.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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Come on, don't be shy...I know most of you aren't experts so this is how you learn. I don't make too many posts like this a year so now is your chance to have a good discussion. The coin is not in a slab, there is no wrong answer..IT'S ALL FOR FUN AND LEARNING! If you're not sure - TAKE A WILD GUESS - nothing to lose.  How about a little apple dance to get some posts? 
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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Quote: Nice coin Thad.. 
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
19949 Posts |
To help, I'll toss out another photo:. Tell me what you think you see in this? 
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Edited by BadThad 09/13/2014 12:41 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Worn dies? The fields are (wavy) instead of flat. Dies where polished in an attempt to make them flat.
Edited by noD 09/13/2014 06:01 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'll play. I would grade it AU-58 details. The friction on Lincoln's cheek and jaw hold it back. The scratches on the lower left corner of the portrait are enough to give it a details grade. It's definitely a slider because of the completeness of the luster.
The weakness with the reverse is due to strike. For some reason this is very common for this series.
The obverse blotches concern me. Mild PVC residue?
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Rest in Peace
United States
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It's actually a nice strike compared to some on ebay right now that were struck from very tired dies. My take is this was an early morning strike after the dies were given a fresh polish and grease job before starting the press back up. There is a lot of apparent rub on the high surfaces of coins in 64, 65 and even 66 holders so I would guess this shouldn't knock it down to AU range. My guess would have to be MS63RD as well. I would have said 64 if not for the mark on the shoulder. Actually, after looking at your second obverse photo, I'm not sure that mark is post mint.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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Here's a another hint, this coin is EDS (Early Die State). San Fran was well known to over-use dies but their quality was improving by 1930. From what I recall, the workers jobs were on the line after producing so many horrible coins in the 20's. The dies used to mint this coin were in excellent condition, all of the devices are sharp and there is no merging of the mottos into the rim.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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Quote:It's actually a nice strike compared to some on ebay right now that were struck from very tired dies. That's an excellent observation and the reason I bought this coin. These tend to be a bit mushy from over-used dies.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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Quote: The obverse blotches concern me. Mild PVC residue? Definitely no PVC nor verdigris. There are a couple carbon spots on the obverse but that's all they are. I believe the breaks in the toning are an artifact of either the storage conditions, slight variations in the metal that affected the toning or impurities that were pressed into the surface as the coin was minted.
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Edited by BadThad 09/13/2014 2:21 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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Although I'd like to grade it in MS, I see some milk spots on the obverse. I don't know what those would do to the grade.
Mark
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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Quote: I would have said 64 if not for the mark on the shoulder.
Actually, after looking at your second obverse photo, I'm not sure that mark is post mint. Another good observation! The shoulder is a design high point that requires a lot of metal to fill the die. Common to Lincolns, weakness in the shoulder, cheek, jaw and temple is fairly normal on many early-date branch mint cents. When the striking pressure is too weak, these areas are poorly formed as the die doesn't completely fill. Often marks on the planchet do not get erased and manifest themselves on the coin. The mark on the shoulder doesn't show the displaced metal typically seen on PMD. The "edges" of the mark are smooth leading me to believe it was on the planchet BEFORE it was struck but the striking pressure was too weak to smooth it out. I don't think this is PMD.
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Valued Member
United States
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Nice strike, very very small nicks on cheek, reverse is pretty clean except for real tiny nicks on letters. Shoulder does not look PMD to me. Very nice coin, it looks nicer than MS-64, so I would say MS-65 RD.
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New Member
United States
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This is a very nice coin for that year. Nicely struck but I believe with insufficient pressure. I believe the coin has no PMD and is as minted, with very few light nicks. It appears as though, the areas on the obverse that appear weak correspond with the areas on the reverse. For instance, Lincoln's cheek and jaw correspond with the "S" in States and the "ME" in America on the reverse. Also, Lincoln's shoulder corresponds with the "O" in One. Neat conversation piece, I would grade at MS63RD conservatively.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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Quote: For instance, Lincoln's cheek and jaw correspond with the "S" in States and the "ME" in America on the reverse. Also, Lincoln's shoulder corresponds with the "O" in One. Neat conversation piece, I would grade at MS63RD conservatively. EXCELLENT JOB! Take a look at this overlay - it helps to explain what you just did.  And look at the posted coins reverse again and compare. 
Edited by BadThad 09/14/2014 03:07 am
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