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Gary Burke's Avatar
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 Posted 08/23/2007  9:02 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Gary Burke to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
The U. S. 2007 Silver Proof sets went on sale today. I bought two, one for my wife and one for myself.

Two of our three children are looking into buying the sets. One of them is looking at the sets as both a collectible for he and his family, but also as an investment.

He would like my opinion regarding whether it would be a good investment. Also, if it would be a good investment, how long should they be held before selling on ebay or elsewhere?

I told him this was a great coin forum, and I would get some excellent answers and relay them back to him.

Help will be appreciated.

What do you think?

Thanks.

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 Posted 08/23/2007  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TSmith3510 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gary,

As a collectable, I think they're great. 14 coins, presidents, State Quarters, sac, silver half, etc.

I don't think it's a smart investment, but certainly is a smart addition to anyones collections.

I'll probably get a few of them.

And congratulations on your 3000!

TS
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 Posted 08/23/2007  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Benji to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Also, if it would be a good investment, how long should they be held before selling on ebay or elsewhere?"

There are several variables to that equation. It depends on what is considered a good investment...5%, 20%, 100% returns? The U.S. proof sets pose little risk and little reward, it can also be a futile task to sell US mint products in online auctions for a profit. An area of consistent returns and little risk are solid, highly liquid, classic rarities. Some moderns such as the 2004 Plat. have great upside if one has the foresight.
2004 Plat Example and other upside indicators to look for:
1. Ultra modern coin
2. Lowest mintage for a proof type coin in past roughly 90 years
3. Mintage isn't entirely everything - the KING of platinum is still the Proof 2004 set (no offense intended 2006(w) MS)
4. $500,000 spent on 2004 Proof Plat sets just 2 1/2 years ago is worth roughly $1,500,000 - $1,7500,000 today. Virtually nothing touches that return in numismatics - classic, ultra rarity classic or moderns.

If you are looking to invest, I would put that money into a savings account before a proof set. If you are looking to expand and share the joys of the hobby I would purchase a set for each member of the family for the enjoyment and hopefully everyone lives long enough or has heirs to turn a profit when it's a good time to sell.
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 Posted 08/23/2007  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gary,
I purchase a silver proof set for my collection every year. I personally like them because they represent the pinnacle of circulating US coinage designs in silver. I feel that the silver sets will do better value-wise in the long run than the clad proof sets just because of the silver content- you can never go wrong with silver I would never expect quick returns from new Mint purchases so if I was buying for possible future resale, I would be looking at holding them for several years. If they happen to go up in value quickly, like the Eagle anniv sets from last year, then all the better and you can sell quickly.
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 Posted 08/23/2007  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spider5689 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The silver proof set is a fantastic collectible.

That being said, The last silver proof set that actually increased in value was the 2001. Since then every silver proof set can be purchased for a little over the original issue price.

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 Posted 08/23/2007  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errorcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Silver proof sets, as many as you can buy, every year (except 2000) and sit on them.

Silver commens every year and sit on em.

Liberty gold spose coin.

Bu rolls from banks for errors.

all money makers



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 Posted 08/23/2007  11:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sagan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All but the 1999 and 2001 Silver proof sets can be had for less then mint issue price currently (of the 50 State Quarter era.) 1999 Silver proof sets are insane for some reason (2000 has the same mintage, but sells for mint issue or less) and 2001 is pretty expensive too. Those are the exceptions, and the mintages contiue to go up (804,000 in 1999, 972,000 + 520,000 more of the quater sets in 2006.) They make great collectables, but not something you can sit on. You might be better off with 3 American Silver Eagles for about the same price, which has a better chance at appreciating if silver continues it's slow rise in price. ASE will always be worth melt price outside there collector value.
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 Posted 08/24/2007  08:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a suggestion. Buy a Red Book. Look at pages 324 and 325 in the 2008 Edition. A list of proof sets with prices as issued and present estimated values. Of course only an estimate. At coin shows I see many of them for far less than listed. If your attempting to buy them as an investment, not a good idea. If for a collection, familly tradition, momento of yesterdays with the family, conversation pieces, great idea. Speculating on the future value of a present proof set issue is just to chancy. The coin collecting craze is high right now but no one knows about tomorrow. Remember the Beanie Babies?
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 Posted 08/24/2007  09:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A long term investment in the medals markets are always a good idea. Buy in the U.S. right now and sell overseas in the World market could even make a short term investment look good. I do remember when that was the other way around - hmmm You might not make a killing ($) but, long term, certainly. JMO
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 Posted 08/24/2007  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Investment...NO.
Collectible...YES.

That's the ONE item I get every year from the mint...the Silver Proof Set. They are beautiful and not terribly expensive. Occasionally they even become worth more than you paid for them but you should never count on this. Too many are generally sold to ever count on them being worth much more than you paid.
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 Posted 08/24/2007  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
That being said, The last silver proof set that actually increased in value was the 2001. Since then every silver proof set can be purchased for a little over the original issue price.

Which brings up another point. You have to sell them at the right time as well.

Yes the 2001 set went up. It went up shotly after issue, and if you sold it then you had a good investment. If you held it and sold it today it was a much poorer investment (I don't think the retail price has changed that much over the past five years. So if you bought it in 2001 and sold it in 2002 you had a 650% return and a 650% per annum return. If you bought it then and sold it today you have a 650% return but only a 141% per annum return. Still a great return rate but not as good as 650%.

A better example was the GSA dollars. While back someone made the comment that he wished he had bought a bunch of them back in 72 when they were sold because of the high prices they were now bringing. I pointed out that if he had his annual rate of return would have been about 3%, less than if he had put them in CD's. And that if he had sold them a year too early his rate would have been 1%. On the other hand if he had bought them just two years earlier his rate of return would have been 250%

In investing, timing is critical.
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 Posted 08/24/2007  1:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add greyhav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just a philosophical rambling: If you only buy 1, can it really be both a collectible and an investment to you? It's not an investment unless you plan to sell it. And why would you plan sell it if you like it? If you don't really want to keep it, it's not really a collectible to you.

Thinking about it, I can see doing something similar: I might buy a gold eagle, just to admire for a while. But I don't really want to spend that much on coins or bullion, so I'd probably sell it before long. So really I'd just be paying to rent it as a collectible. If I got lucky, it would be rent-free.
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 Posted 08/24/2007  2:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Benji to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"But I don't really want to spend that much on coins or bullion, so I'd probably sell it before long. So really I'd just be paying to rent it as a collectible. If I got lucky, it would be rent-free."

I've used this practice in the case of the 93-S used for a short time to "complete" my set of morgans.
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 Posted 08/24/2007  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stephen420 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I get proof sets every year, but I don't think of them as an investment. Maybe with the new dollars + 1st year of issue, they could go up in about 100 years. I was cruising ebay today and saw 1964 proof sets for $13. And those coins (10c, 25c, 50c) are exclusively silver. I like those flat pack proof sets, but I get them unopened for cherry picking. I honestly think proof sets appreciate too slowly for an investment.
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 Posted 08/24/2007  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add longnine009 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMO Modern Proof sets will never be an investment. Then can, however, be a reckless speculation that might even pay off with an awful lot of good luck. You may recall the Proof set frenzy of the mid 60's. A lot of people made money but even more went broke when it was over. I believe 50% of the FACTS dealers went belly up after that one.

Often times a surge in proof set interest indicates a new wave of collectors coming in. Do you believe that is going to happen any time soon? Maybe it will or maybe, despite glowing reports, this cycle is just coasting on old momentum.

There is also the problem of time. Everyone, it would seem, wants perfect coins. But there is only one direction that perfection can go. What happens if you have sit on proof sets for a decade waiting on the "Fad-wagon" to come through. Will they still be "perfect?"

Frankly, I'd rather buy lotto tickets. I can then save on Maalox since I only have to wait a few days to see that I lost.
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 Posted 08/25/2007  04:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gary Burke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the good opinions offered.

Based on the posts we read, I think my son and I, as well as our daughter, will buy just a few to add to our collections, and not to invest.

A similar question comes up Aug. 30 when the Jefferson First Spouse coin is offered for sale.

Any opinions on that one? Great profit potential? Or not?

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