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Valued Member
United States
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/11146078970...RK:MEBIDX:ITIs this worth it? Are they even authentic? it seems to me that something that simple in design would be relatively easy to counterfeit. They are a big part of history though. I'm currently learning about the D.E.I.C in my history class. So is it worth the price? I can always make an offer...
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Moderator
 United States
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I am a Colonial/Post Colonial US collector. I do not own one of these.
No proof they ever circulated in the Colonies.
swcoin.ecrater.com
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
2830 Posts |
that's a nice coin.
I have three - 1809,1810, & 1811 - from the East Indies (Indonesia) -
one issued by VOC;
the second bearing the monogram of Louis-Napoleon;
and the third HEIC -
three regimes in three years - thanks to the Napoleonic Wars.!
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Pillar of the Community
Netherlands
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This one is struck in 1817.. They used the 1790 date for around 50 years with the "Utrecht" reverse. Value is always difficult from a photo. I would say $25,- tops for a XF+.. Just my opinion.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I think it is wrongly attributed as KM #152.2, as it has the Utrecht arms.
The weight seems very low.
I'm wondering about the device (mintmark/privy mark ?) above the V. I know there are varieties but is that appropriate for a Utrecht duit ?
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Pillar of the Community
Netherlands
561 Posts |
@ Pertinax..
That's a "swaddled child"... (i think that's a correct translation)
Edited by Sander
09/19/2014 07:13 am
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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@Sander,
"Child in swaddling clothes" is shown in my KM catalogue as a privy mark for Utrecht for Netherlands coins but not for Netherlands East Indies.
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Pillar of the Community
Netherlands
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I'm now back home and have my books.. Quote:
Lionel Sluiter, auteur of the 'reference guide': VOC duiten and half duiten, ? compleet ? wrote this:
These duiten are, according to the minutes of Council meetings and General overpower 1817 that these where struck that year.. They are entirely similar to those of the E.I. Compagnie,and were highly sought after in Java. Only difference is the pivy mark, "Child in swaddling clothes"
That pivy mark changed in 1827, also there are duiten complete similar with the year 1790 but then without the "Child in swaddling clothes", these are struck in 1827 by virtue of Royal Decree from 16 april.. Even in 1840 these were struck but not anymore in Utrecht but in Soerabaja, dies were send from Holland then.. I hope most of my translation is understandable.. I read somewhere also that the locals didn't accept the English Keping, so the keep using the voc duiten even long time after the bankruptcy.. i'll try this evening to find that info.. |
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 United States
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I'm the one selling the coin. I recently purchased it for resale.
After reading the posts it's clear that others are correct and that I have it misattributed. It is similar in appearance to KM #152.2, but is, in fact, KM #111.3, I believe.
I have read that these did circulate in the U.S. colonies. This one could not have, since it dates from a later time.
I will change the listing to reflect the correct attribution.
It is a very nice example for the type, though.
Paul Bulgerin
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United States
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United Kingdom
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I think worn specimens deserve a place in the collection of anyone with family history in Scotland.
During the 18th century, Scotland was flooded with these coins, ostensibly as small change but really so that suppliers could make money at the cost of the poor.
As they could not be spent, many people used to put them in the collection boxes at church and many ministers used to sell them by weight on condition they were melted down.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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In Scotland, they passed for 1/8 penny (a half-farthing) but banks would not accept them.
Incidentally, the word duit is derived from the French
"d'huit" as there were eight of these coins to the stuiver.
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Australia
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very interesting thread !
I should add that my three, referred to above, were minted from very basic dies, and as I understand it, were from Batavia (now Jakarta), on the island of Java.
Soerabaja (now, Surabaya) is at the other end of Java.
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