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Canada
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151417789553  The reverse wear pattern is wrong and the fact that the tail is separated from the body kinds bothers me (since I've never seen an authentic one like that before). But this seller doesn't look like the type to sell fakes since he's a top-rated seller with 100% positiive feedback. What do you guys think? By the way, the chin also looks very pointy, even though I can't comment on that. Edited by Altaira
09/21/2014 02:33 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Does this Morgan look fake to anyone? Yes, it looks questionable to me. Chances are it weighs well under 25 grams and if it does then we'd know it's fake. |
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United States
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Rest in Peace
United States
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It does have the look of a counterfeit based on the surface appearance, but I cannot pick out any one detail that says yeah, it's definitely a fake. The somewhat pointy chin is part of the design changes incorporated into new master hubs for the '21. This Morgan could merely be a weakly struck example similar to the full plate photos for this VAM http://www.vamworld.com/1921-S+VAM-1F. Coins struck in 1921 are notorious for being weakly struck. No call here except suspect due to the dull color. Edited by dave700x
09/21/2014 08:53 am
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Gah. After examining the fullsize images in the auction, I'm calling it a counterfeit. Look closely at the reverse - the area of weakness on the (eagle's) right wing and the softness at the bottom (towards the rim) of ONE DOLLAR aren't what I expect to see from a San Francisco 1921.
This is an excellent fake, though. Scary good, if they've got the weight close.
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Korea, Republic Of
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I'd call this one fake mostly based on the reverse lettering, the wreath and the eagle.
But I'd say that virtually any beginning numismatists will fall for this one. The details are very accurate. This is't just a common, poorly-crafted Morgan out of scratch. This one is a exceptionally good fake.
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United States
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Based on pictures only, I'll go against the consensus (so far) and say it is real, but has been very harshly cleaned.
(Now if I examined the coin in hand, with scales, calipers and were able to assay the metal, then I might come to another conclusion.)
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 Canada
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In this case, what would be the right thing to do? Would it be contacting the seller and linking this thread pointing out a possible fake? Would it be reporting the item? If so could anyone who has ebay do it? Or just leave it alone since there's no definite decision yet? I'm just going to zoom in and show you guys which bit is bothering me. The tail feathers aren't connected to the body, and looking at Photograde this part doesn't really wear down until you get below AG (and this coin definitely isn't).  |
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REALLY? Doesn't look fake to me. Its looks odd but I would attribute it to be cleaned a long time ago, then had since been covered by toning. Its not normal tone since it was polished so hard, but that would be my guess. I PURPOSELY have purchased many fake Morgans from numerous sources just to have comparison pieces.
would like to also add, I have seen the separated tail feathers before. Go and look up vams for 1921-s and I'm sure some of these "suspicious" things will be nullified.
Edited by Copper Penny Connection
09/21/2014 1:38 pm
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That was the reason I posted the link to the 21-S VAM-1F above.  |
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I'm just going to zoom in and show you guys which bit is bothering me. The tail feathers aren't connected to the body, I think that this is a result of excessive die polish. After extensive use, dies used for making the coins are polished so that the fields on the coin are nice and smooth again. After several polishings, some of the details (high points on the die) can be worn off, causing details of the devices to merge with the fields on the coin. The low relief points on the coin will be the first to disappear. I think this is what has happened here, so this does not concern me. The base of the tail feathers seem to have merged into the plane of the fields of the coin. Please note that I am not expressing any opinion as to the authenticity of this coin - I do not know the series very well. |
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Canada
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I didn't expect die over polishing to be so severe. I didn't find an exact VAM match though. Maybe I'm not very good at matching VAMs, but I always see either the tail feathers above or below are different. I'll try again a little later. |
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United States
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The mintmark is too small. and nothing really looks right. I would say fake. It,s a little odd that someone would bother faking a coin as common as this one.
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United States
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The mint mark on the 21-s is supposed to be small. The d-mint 1921 dollars also have a very small mint mark.
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Edited by coinlover168
09/21/2014 4:58 pm
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