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 Posted 09/30/2014  09:41 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add plonker to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Is it a must to fill out custom forms when shipping to outside US? Specifically to Canada ,Australia, NZ and western Europe . Thanks
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 Posted 09/30/2014  12:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If your item is mailed in an envelope (and inexpensive) it's highly unlikely it will attract attention of the postal authorities.
If it's mailed in a package AND more expensive then, yes, you'll be needing a customs form.
Label it on the form as a "numismatic item" or "numismatic collectible" or something similar.
Then you are not lying but there's a good chance it won't attract attention.

DEFINITELY don't label it "coins" or "currency" or "money", and DEFINITELY don't lie.
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 Posted 09/30/2014  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've sent a few items to Canada, Finland and Sweden. There are minimal forms to fill out. Pretty painless if I remember correctly.
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 Posted 10/01/2014  02:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johntookit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just recently sent a box package to Canada and it cost me $160 and most of it was from the customs.
http://www.ups.com/content/ca/en/sh...earance.html

Next time I will drive 2 hours(I live in Washington) and send it from Canada or ship Air Mail without Insurance.
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 Posted 10/21/2014  11:20 am  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you UPS ! John use the postal service......UPS is brutal in their charges. The Universal Postal Union rules require customs form for most packages or valuables (IE goods of any kind) over two ounces, throughout the world. The most familiar form is a CN-22. Hope this helps. (Retired Canadapost)
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 Posted 11/19/2014  02:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pocket change 50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I always use a CN 22 when shipping to the use. The Canuck receiving the UPS parcel will not be happy, as there's usually a $25 brokerage fee that's non refundable. Shipping coins by first class international has tracking for seller protection, and no brokerage fees, if Canada post does end up charging a brokerage fee it's $9.99. Most coins don't get charge any import fees to Canada and 99.9 silver or gold are tax exempt. Items sent through the mail usually don't get charged any import fees, unless it's a big box that grabs attention. I have bought over 600 coins by first class international and not one has been lost!! Some may take a little longer, but eventually show up.
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 Posted 11/19/2014  08:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kena to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So you just hit on the reason that many sellers will not send items outside of the US since the sale part can go smooth but the customs delays and charges ruin the sale.

In the UK the value of the item is determined by the amount on the customs form as well the cost to post the item.

So if the item is not marked as a gift, if the value is over £15 which is about $23.50 then the buyer will be hit with a handling fee and vat (sales tax at a rate of 20%). Customs duty kicks in at £135 which is over $211.

The gift limit is £36 which is only $56.

Customs is also very slow and in my experience you have no idea who the package is from until you have paid the fees to get the item. Even when they mess up and charge you vat when the item was under the limit, you don't get the handling fee refunded.

Here is the web site with the UK info - http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channels...ument#P8_229

Ken
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 Posted 11/19/2014  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arianzo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it's an envelope (lettermail) Customs presumes they are just documents, a greeting card, etc so no custom declaration needed but if you are shipping other stuff like a coin or a banknote in a envelope and they discover it, they can destroy it (not likely).

If shipping a parcel (box), custom declaration is a must.
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Yes

Google: usps international mail manual

http://pe.usps.com/text/imm/welcome.htm

123.63 Documents and Merchandise
In Exhibit 123.61, the "Type of Item" column has several references to "documents." For this purpose, "documents" refers only to printed documents, not to electronic storage media or devices such as CDs, DVDs, or flash drives. Examples of documents include the following:
a.Audit and business records.
b.Personal correspondence.
c.Circulars.
d.Pamphlets.
e.Advertisements.
f.Written instruments not intended to be resold.
g.Money orders, checks, and similar items that cannot be negotiated or converted into cash without forgery.

Examples of items that do not qualify as documents â€" rather, they are considered merchandise, so the sender is required to apply a customs declaration form and declare a value â€" include the following:
a.CDs, DVDs, flash drives, video and cassette tapes, and other electronic storage media â€" regardless if they are blank or if they contain electronic documents or other prerecorded media.
b.Artwork.
c.Collector or antique document items.
d.Books.
e.Periodicals.
f.Printed music.
g.Printed educational or test material.
h.Player piano rolls.
i.Engineering drawings.
j.Blueprints.
k.Film.
l.Negatives.
m.X-rays.
n.Separation negatives.
o.Photographs.

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 Posted 11/20/2014  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pocket change 50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah being in a small town of 3800 households, the few times I tried sending a low value coin, in an envelop without a CN22 , it was returned two days later. It had a sticky stating I needed to use a CN22. I was out of them, and I have to get someone to go to the post office for me. It was only worth $2, so now I keep a stack of CN22's at home. I don't do postage over the Internet. I'm too lazy to set up my printer! When it's technical stuff to set up, I take the easy way.
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