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Potential Higher Values From Breaking Out Mint Set Coins

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Hello,

1) My question revolves around approximately what type of grade 'on average' could someone expect if PCGS or NGC grades a broken-out mint set coin whose external cellophane covering appears to be untouched or undisturbed in any way.

I pose this question only because of some of the earlier KHD prices I've seen for MS-68 through MS-70, for example.

I have never actually opened up any mint set to submit a particular coin for grading in the hopes that it would bring an astronomically high grade resulting in a great resale price.

It is often difficult to determine a coin's possible grade just my viewing it through the cellophane.

2) Would it be better to send a coin to the TPG that is still in its original cellophane or not?

The fear of not being able to at least recoup the cost of round trip freight, insurance, and the cost to grade have always dissuaded me from a TPG and pushed me to take my chances on other known higher return numismatic endeavors.

3) I'd like some feedback from folks that have actually done this and hit a home run.

In summary, please address my three statements above so I will feel more comfortable with having a better idea of how to proceed with this process and what to reasonably expect from these mint sets.

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 Posted 10/03/2014  03:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You CAN actually grade a coin still in the mint packaging with a good degree of accuracy , It's not that difficult.
The secret is to be able to have confidence in your own grading ability

When you send a coin away to be graded always put it in a new saflip, don't send it in the original packaging.

most importantly make sure that whatever you send to be graded will still "Value add" even if it comes back graded 1 point less that your assessment other wise you will loose money.

Choose your coins wisely
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There may be some extra value potential to build a single denomination date / mint mark set with coins taken from broken out mint sets.
The reason for this is that coins from mint sets are extracted from the coining press individually, rather than just falling onto a pile, and / or being bag marked, bulked for issue into circulation.

The remaining coins not required from broken mint sets can always re sold separately, to partly recover some of your investment in whole sets.
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I have nearly four shoe boxes full of mint sets and proof sets that will go into denomination albums so I can enjoy looking at them instead of boxes and envelopes. There is one particular set I just can't keep my eyes off of. It is a 1962 proof set with a brilliant pink/purple/gold-toned nickel except for Jefferson and Monticello which are toned a steel blue. I'm at a loss as to how it got that way still sealed inside the original cello. I think it is otherwise flawless. Would it still grade well or would it be considered damaged goods? If I took it out of the cello, wouldn't they think it's been tampered with?
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I'm sorry, I shouldn't have expressed my own concerns with nothing to add in response to yours. The other replies were helpful.
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I'm sorry, I shouldn't have expressed my own concerns with nothing to add in response to yours. The other replies were helpful.

Good for you Buffalow. A learning experience.
Do not hijack a post. IMHO
Mdpmedia, sorry for the interruption.
My only response to this statement:

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I have never actually opened up any mint set to submit a particular coin for grading

Me to. Except to add one to the 7070.
Good questions.
Edit to add, Buffalow I have done this hijack thing before.
A learning experience.
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I have nearly four shoe boxes full of mint sets and proof sets that will go into denomination albums so I can enjoy looking at them instead of boxes and envelopes.

What I did a long, long time ago. Especially with Proof sets. Those do nothing but go down in value. As individual coins they sell for a lot, lot more than if you evaluated the sets. I too used to have lots of those sets but found putting them in Albums is a lot more fun. Same with slabs. What I always get a kick out of is at coin shows seeing coins worth a dollar or two in a slab. guess some people just like to waste money or work for the TPGS.
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1) My question revolves around approximately what type of grade 'on average' could someone expect if PCGS or NGC grades a broken-out mint set coin whose external cellophane covering appears to be untouched or undisturbed in any way.

I pose this question only because of some of the earlier KHD prices I've seen for MS-68 through MS-70, for example.

I have never actually opened up any mint set to submit a particular coin for grading in the hopes that it would bring an astronomically high grade resulting in a great resale price.

It is often difficult to determine a coin's possible grade just my viewing it through the cellophane.

2) Would it be better to send a coin to the TPG that is still in its original cellophane or not?

The fear of not being able to at least recoup the cost of round trip freight, insurance, and the cost to grade have always dissuaded me from a TPG and pushed me to take my chances on other known higher return numismatic endeavors.

3) I'd like some feedback from folks that have actually done this and hit a home run.

In summary, please address my three statements above so I will feel more comfortable with having a better idea of how to proceed with this process and what to reasonably expect from these mint sets.


Expected grade, high end grade, and low end grade varies a lot by date and mint mark. A 1976 type I Ike will typically be MS-62 and tends to top out in MS-65 while the low end is a really awful coin. By the same token a 1989-D will usually be MS-66 at the low end and MS-69 at the high end. MS-66 and 67 are fairly common. Many are even highly PL.

It's quite easy to grade through the plastic but does require a little experience to consistently get it right. The biggest thing to know is to squeeze the edge of the coin between your thumb nail and index finger nail to make it move while looking at the marks. You'll see many of the marks are actually in the plstic.

Mint set coins are worth more wholesale than the value of a mint set which is causing them to get cut up in huge numbers. You can figure two mint sets out of three will have a Gem coin in them but most of these Gems will be common cents and dimes. Or nearly as common quarters.

In all cases top notch coins are quite elusive and tend to account for around one coin per about fifty sets. Very few people know these when they see them so they're no more difficult to find today than 20 years ago. A few coins are picked over a little and some mint sets are corroding now days but otherwise Gems are no more difficult now than in the pas. Don't expect to find cameo SMS any longer unless you can find sealed sets. These are rare so even in sealed sets they are tough.
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