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I have this 1973 framed coin and stamp set of the RCMP commemorative releases. The set contains the silver dollar and (6x) MS 25c pieces of that year. I acquired the set last year, misplaced it, found it this weekend, and have tirelessly (but delicately) attempted to remove the set from the frame so that I may inspect the 25c pieces for possible LB variety. Unfortunately, there is no way for me to do so without destroying the frame. What would you guys recommend I do? Also, have any of you stumbled across these types of sets before? I also have one in a similar frame and presentation for the 1967 centennial, including complete coin set, $1 bill, and stamps. I doubt they are RCM releases, but the coins in the set all appear to be in MS condition.  |
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Not being a dealer,..I'm not familiar with this presentation.
It does look very nice..
If you have no access to the back of the 25c piece without doing serious harm to the frame,..then I'm wondering if some kind of x-ray or scan could penetrate through the rear covering and show the coin in some way?
A dentist friend comes to mind here..
Why not show us a few pics of the back and the inner rear corners..?
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IMO X-ray won't show it being large if small bust, but it will just show up as white circles on the film. To my knowledge, if the material is dense (an example is metal), it will just absorb/block all the x-rays and there is no indication of thickness.
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I would definitely leave it intact. The chances of it being a LB are extremely slim. And there is also a chance it is zero- if the person making the frame was familiar with the variety and screened the coin before putting it in.
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Those metal tabs in the corner should be able to be pried out without doing any damage to the frame. slide them down the slots to remove , then the cardboard backing should fall right out.
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tfred, I thought so too, but they don't budge. The ends are mounted/recessed, somehow, from inside the frame.
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The added pics definitely help us here.
It could be that there is a serrated edge on the metal strips.. and that they bite into the inner wood a bit.
I would work at one lower strip and use the necessary force to remove it by prying towards the center of the presentation board. I would tape all surfaces before touching it. The metal strip was the last piece to hold it together and will have to be the first piece out.
When you have removed one,..you will then understand what it takes to remove the others without doing any damage.
If it was mine,..I would take a look ..and of course that's "if" that presentation piece doesn't have any "crazy value" as it is here.
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I tried prying a lower clip with added force thinking the same thing, but I started to hear a snap/crack sound so I stopped dead in my tracks. No visible damage on the frame, but that exercise spooked me. Devlec, that last question is most puzzling about these pieces, as I've never seen them before. All coins appear to be in high grade MS condition (not PL strikes), which suggests these were made/constructed around the time period of the production of the coinage (though I still don't think this was a RCM assembled set). Additionally, the aging/patina of the display card holder and the frame itself suggest it is an aged piece of 40 years. I just don't know enough about them hence why I'm afraid to tamper with the frame any further. |
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Recently had one just like it and another year set in a frame like this. Removed all coins and used the wood in the fireplace.
The coins in both sets looked great on one side, bud the other side was not so nice on all of them.
There is no extra value in these sets, unless you find "just the right collector" and it is "must have". mine did not have a LB.
I believe they were assembled and sold a long time by Steven Bromberg. But I am not sure.
I also acquired a 1973 double dollar set with the same collection. the one with the red (ugly poison material) in the set.
IT had a PL LB. The red stuff smelled pretty bad and was totally stuck to the coins.
I used a hard pointed plastic piece to pry the quarter out of its hole..and lucky I was.
then the rest of the coins came out. Acetone worked well to remove the red stuff.
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The cracking might be the frame itself...
I think the presentation looks good... but if you HAVE to get in it.. I would use a dremmel type tool with a cut off saw... and cut the band of metal at one of the top corners... with one band removed I think you could get the rest out with a bit of work.
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I have these same sets and several others. No idea where they originally came from but some have a 1989 date stamp on the back of the frame.
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Mine doesn't have a date stamp (neither the 1967 or 1973 set), but if assembled in 89, then I would presume no LB varieties exist, and thus no need to break into the frame  |
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Take it to an art dealer or a professional framer, see what they say.
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Skip79.why not.
last time I checked, 1973 came before 1989 and hence it is possible to have 73 LB in the set.
or am I not getting it?
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Isn't there a way to examine the positions of the beads of the crown and the beads around the rim to see if it's large bust or not? I remember seeing pictures here on this forum regarding this
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Posted 10/15/2014 10:44 am
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