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 Posted 10/18/2014  8:21 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add macdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Sold at less than 50% of the value. I know he must have cried like a banshee from heck when he rolled over on that one but that is the reality of collecting the ones who benefit when it comes time to sell are the heirs not the living eh
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 Posted 10/18/2014  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dave H to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's unfortunate, but I think that happens most of the time... The spouse/family either doesn't know the true value of the coins, or is selling fast, just wanting to get rid of the collection to settle the estate...
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 Posted 10/18/2014  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
sorry about your friend.

but... 50% of what value?

if charltons he did better than ok.

sold to a dealer? they have leave room to make something to.

stuff is only worth what some is willing to pay.
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 Posted 10/18/2014  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lambecolin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
50% of retail---catalog----is doing good. Look at eBay---most prices are 50-60% of catalog.
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 Posted 10/18/2014  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin Scavenger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As a son I have taken on the role to gather information and seek out the best resolution to help my mother now that my father has passed away. As a family we all had a chance to go to meetings and coin shows, but he was the one. I enjoy the hobby now more then I think he would have expected.
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 Posted 10/19/2014  03:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is the duty of the collector to not put his family in the situation where they end up dumping stuff for less than fair market wholesale value.

----Slab your "good stuff" so there is no question regarding authenticity

----Always have an accurate inventory of what you have along with what you paid for it.

----if you find out your ticket has been punched sell the stuff yourself, if possible, before you "take the trip".

----Do not trust your local dealer to be fair with your family when it comes time for them to sell. I don't care how long you've known him. The dealer is in business to make money. The relationship you had with him when you were alive is out the window.
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 Posted 10/19/2014  10:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, it is an eye opener when selling any collection, coins or other dead or alive. I have a friend who is an estate buyer and it is sad to hear him relate the stories of how valuable collections are bought for little money and sold for big profits but that is business and one mans junk is another mans gold, but money talks and like western sky said it is a good idea to have an updated inventory and educate your family members on what you have and if they sell it off tell em you will back to haunt them :
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 Posted 10/19/2014  10:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I keep an up to date Excel file on all coins purchased with pic and cost, mintage, face value and approximate value, grams of silver/gold, errors noted, Low COA if there is one, and each purchase a new page is printed off for the book. Even the $2 5 Pack, I note it. Shipping is included in the cost as well as taxes. Original invoices are all attached and filed according to purchase date, whether Canada Post, LCS, RCM or other. I try to inform my spouse of all purchases and whether there was a discount. I'm sure it's all a blur but at least she will have a compendium of facts to take to an estate auction, e-bay or other on-line seller, or LCS. Make it easy for yourself and your family to get the most for your time and money spent.
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 Posted 10/19/2014  11:38 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Frankly, if my wife is left with my collection, she has two choices:

1. sell the coins herself at 75% to 80% catalogue, at a coin show (as I do), and it might take years to do so.

2. liquidate the entire collection instantly at 35-40%.

The thing is, if a collector comes to a dealer's table looking to buy - that is a lot different than someone wanting to convert everything to cash, on the spot. Slightly less than 50% of catalogue tells me that your friends collection was sold to a dealer who was fair. Bad dealers often buy everything at melt, or worse (face value) key dates and all...
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 Posted 10/19/2014  11:46 am  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Totally agree with SPP. Fifty per cent is not terrible .
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 Posted 10/19/2014  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I should have noted that my friends son who is not a collector himself said he thinks his mother got half of what they were worth but I have no way to verify that and I doubt she got anywhere near 50% it was so quickly done me and a few other collector friends never had a chance to make an offer which would have been higher than what dealer gave her but again it was all about money now and out the door. I do know he had some nice MS Plus coins and a nice lot of paper money. Lesson to be learned for sure, happens all the time.
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 Posted 10/19/2014  2:17 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With proper arrangements before hand it does not have to happen at all. When we offer on an estate or collection of importance, we put our offer in writing and DO charge an appraisal fee (which is Refunded if the coins are sold to us). Then we encourage the person in charge of the estate to get a second and third if necessary opinion. There is NO sympathy from this corner for people who DO not look after there estates and wishes BEFORE they pass on. We all have ample time as we acquire wealth and tangible assets to create a will that shows our wishes.
It should come as no surprise that a lot of collectors and investors are rather secretive and eccentric, think they are never going to die, and leave a disaster behind for others to clean up. Again no sympathy here, look after your estate while you are happy and healthy. Your heirs will be grateful.
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 Posted 10/19/2014  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"thinks his mother got half of what they were worth but I have no way to verify that" - "make an offer which would have been higher than what dealer gave"

if you don't know what it sold for how do you know your offer would have been higher?

again, what is this "half worth" number that you are referring to actually based on? "some nice MS Plus coins and a nice lot of paper money" leaves a lot of room for speculation.
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 Posted 10/20/2014  09:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alex A to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes 50% of retail is quite typical. I've seen some really low ball offers from store owners who are not interested in dealing with large collections and have no interest in spending any time on it.
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The thing is, if a collector comes to a dealer's table looking to buy - that is a lot different than someone wanting to convert everything to cash, on the spot. Slightly less than 50% of catalogue tells me that your friends collection was sold to a dealer who was fair. Bad dealers often buy everything at melt, or worse (face value) key dates and all...


Great post!
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 Posted 10/20/2014  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter53562 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Frankly, if my wife is left with my collection, she has two choices:

1. sell the coins herself at 75% to 80% catalogue, at a coin show (as I do), and it might take years to do so.

2. liquidate the entire collection instantly at 35-40%.


Neglected to comment on the first part, which is also excellent.

With option 1, not only will it take a long time, but you have to factor in table fees at a show or flea market, meals, time, gas money, etc. While it may net you more overall when everything is said and done, is it worth the effort? The answer is different for each person of course.

With option 2, it's one and done. You get the collection liquidated, have cash to spend to reduce credit card debt or invest elsewhere and free up valuable time and space in the home. Although it's a big haircut, some people's time is better spent doing something else. I've done this before with non-coin related items I was selling on ebay. I made my money back on the initial bulk purchase, and realized how much work/time it would take to do the rest. I gave the remaining inventory to a friend who was struggling for money and let him sell it. His situation eventually became better, and the remaining 80% was donated to Goodwill.
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