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Gxseries: Is This An Error Chinese Coin

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Hey... I just got this coin off ebay for $8.09...
Wondering whether there is an error. Not the best pic because don't got the coin on hand, but the top leg of guang is cut off... Wondering if PMD or real error or perhaps greased dies. (Could it even be faaken?)

If so, what's its value?
If not, what's its grade and value?

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Since you don't show the reverse the best I can do is assume that it is a milled 10 Cash from Kiangsu.
If so, it is quite common (and cheap). The side you are showing is somewhere in the Fine to Very Fine range.
Could be a die error, striking error or PMD - doubt it will add much to the value.
Btw, quite often on those various 10 Cash it's not a stroke there but just a simple dot instead.
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Looks more like greased filled error coin.

The most common error coin would be rotated die error (around 15 - 30 degrees) which is somewhat easy to obtain. Some can prove to be difficult in any condition. There are some scarcer English spelling error.

Here's some examples:

Uighurstan 10 cash - tough to find one to start off with. These are somewhat common with slight die rotation but not to this extent:

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Sichuan 1926 100 cash - 180 degree rotation error

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Silver error coin is a lot tougher:

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Error with TAI CHING KUO - this is spelt as TAI GIIING KUO

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One from Manchurian Provinces spelt wrongly as Manchurian Proviences

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Think I have an error coin from Hubei Province with the letter "v" spelt as inverted A. Don't think I got around to photographing that coin - still have a couple of hundred coins to go through.

And then a more modern error coin. This can be a lot harder to find despite billions minted. Try and find one and see how hard it can be.

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And as usual there's always counterfeit when dealing with Chinese coins.

I'm somewhat suspecting this to be not genuine.

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Sure there were coins struck in brass instead of copper but I can't quite tell what it is.
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Thank you so much gxseries!!

I see from my experience yun nan coppers is commonly an error coin.

Your error coins seem really cool! What I like about Chinese coppers is that they had so much variety and errors! I mean, they were basically in the 1700s in terms of minting technology, and being Chinese, I have to say the Chinese progressed so far today.

My greased die coin is not worth much right? I mean, it's just a weak strike.
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Jiangsu coin is not too common compared to other provinces. However you might have a scarcer variety depending on the reverse. I'm not well into such varieties therefore will not put an estimate. There is a handy book for such variety and this is not expensive at all. Can't remember what the book is called but I remember picking a second hand one for less than 10 dollars. Well worth the value especially if you can read Chinese.

Chinese coinage has been a fascinating topic to study and there is a long history behind it.

If you look at the history of Chinese history, coins have been minted in various provinces. Coins at that time were cast, not struck for thousands of years before the Western world literally tore China apart.

While there were laws mandated to ensure that coins were cast uniformly in various part of China, this was not the case. As you can imagine with adulteration news that you hear from China from time to time, you had mints that made fat profit by reducing expensive copper content with cheaper metals.

There were laws to ensure that each coin had to have a certain percentage of copper. In various part of China where copper may not be readily available such as Yunnan, Gansu and Guizhou, coins were readily substituted with cheaper metals such as iron, antimony, zinc, tin, etc. Copper was not readily available in these areas and it would be too expensive to import from other provinces. This becomes more obvious when wars occur and copper content in coins drop drastically. This continued very well into the Imperial China era.

Some examples are as follows:

Gansu warlord era:

A Shannxi Province coin

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Gansu warlords tried to imitate this by casting coins. They didn't have the technology to cast coins and hence used old casting methods to attempt to make money. Note that the coins have significantly less copper content.

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Sichuan has produced coins as follow - forgot that I had this coin with a massive die crack and 90 degrees rotation

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At times they would use an older coin from other provinces to overstrike them. This one is overstruck over Hunan 20 cash

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And then a brass version

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Some exotic metals in this era included nickel copper, antimony and then fiber coins (used in WWII) and steel (used as trial). If you ask me what this era is like, sure numismatic wise - it's fascinating. However you can only imagine how disgusting this was during those times. Doesn't get any better with some of the modern counterfeits appearing in the market these days. This was a lot easier a decade ago when counterfeit coins were not of such high standard including cheaper copper coins.


As mentioned previously, E. Kann's book covers a lot of information and is well worth the value if you are a serious collector about Imperial Chinese coinage.

This is part one of three of his book. Reprinted and is very affordable.

http://www.amazon.com/Illustrated-C...p/0923891188

Otherwise you might want to check your library - never know if they happen to have one.
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Thanks gxseries! I actually saw pictures of antimony coins in your collection on your website! You have so much knowledge of Chinese coins. I can't read Chinese by my father can. Are you Chinese out of curiosity? You can read but not write chinese, as indicated by your website, right?
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For your information, the back is this:
Gxseries:-Is-This-An-Error-Chinese-Coin Sorry picture is blurry; I don't have it in hand (yet).
Thanks so much for your help, GXseries! You are the best source for information about Chinese coins!
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