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ASE Silver Eagles: Numismatic Or Just Bullion?

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 Posted 10/31/2014  2:22 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add SilverBeagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm new to coin collecting in general, I've got a decent collection of Morgans, working on a complete Peace dollar set, and just recently got into Silver Eagles.

From what I see though, most people are buying the eagles for stacking or just silver content (which I don't get, much cheaper ways to buy bullion than ASEs...), and a lot of collectors don't even take them seriously.

I looked at the PCGS price guide and, except a few obvious exceptions, they value them just a little over spot price. You can go on ebay and get around double that on most of them.

Anyone have any thoughts or reading to recommend? I'm thinking just stick to my Peace dollars but I do like the ASEs.
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 Posted 10/31/2014  2:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ddannemiller to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Collect what you want to collect--simple as that. If you like ASE, then by all means, collect those ASEs. I think Dansco even makes an album for them.
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 Posted 10/31/2014  2:36 pm  Show Profile   Check omxfl's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add omxfl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As ddannemiller said, collect what you want.

I for one collect the following:

- 5oz ATB bullion - low mintage (as low as 20k), five new designs every year (unlike ASE which has been the same since 1986) and lowest premium in comparison to all other bullion coins
- Kookaburra - 'limited' mintage and new design every year, older years sell for a significant premium which offsets the slightly higher premium to begin with

I used to also collect Britannia bullion, but since these are now minted to demand and have the same design every now, there is little point in continuing to collect these (well, one maybe).

If you invest in bullion, then this add a level of complexity and, personally, I would not recommend it for various reasons (no return such as a dividend, high volatility etc.).
I "collvest"; i.e. I see it as a hobby with an investment side to it. Hence, I collect those that are essentially bullion, can be bought at a low premium above spot but have potential to be numismatic.

Most of all, HAVE FUN!
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 Posted 10/31/2014  2:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hcmusicguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think they are mostly stacked as bullion, except for the Unc and Proof coins with mint marks that are purchased directly from the Mint; those are numismatic items aimed at the collectors. People like the ASEs (whether bullion, Unc, or Proof) because their silver content is guaranteed by the US Mint, and as legal tender of $1 they are your modern day "silver dollar". That's one of the reasons I like them (have about a half dozen or so), and I sometimes carry one as a pocket piece. I'm sure there are collectors out there who treat the bullion pieces as numismatic items; it's all about whatever you want to collect. I believe that Dansco does have an album for them.


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- whatever blows your hair back.

Additionally, when you keep a coin in a wooden base glass top case lined with velvet for 20 years, well the air, the gasses released from the wood/velvet and of course our friend Mr. Sun causing all of that great chemistry, it can create this and I dare anyone to chalk this piece up to just "bullion"




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 Posted 10/31/2014  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2012 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The mint makes ASEs in a few different ways.

First are the BU ones. These are mainly for people that invest in silver, but some collectors try to put a set of these together with one from each year.

Next you have the proof ones. These are sold by the mint at a premium over spot because they are made for us collectors. They also have a lower mintage (including the 1995-W which trades for about $5,000 in PR-69 )

then you have the burnished eagles. I'm not really sure how these are different than the normal eagles so maybe someone else can chime in on those.

Lastly you have the special edition eagles. These are made for collectors and sell for WAAY over their silver content's value. These coins have very low mintages as well and are very collectible.
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 Posted 10/31/2014  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unholyroller to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Going back to a core comment the OP made in regards to one ounce silver rounds or bars being more economical way of stacking silver...it is a yes and a no in the same sentence. Do you initially pay a lower premium up front to purchase silver rounds...YES...BUT as many people can speak from experience, many people are far more cautious and hesitant to buy rounds and bars on the secondary market (primarily from individuals) because it is very hard to detect fakes. Government issued coins like Silver Eagles, Silver Maples, and the like do sell at a higher premium, but also come with higher customer confidence...hence the added premium. These coins are just harder to fake. Note I didn't say COULDNT be faked...just harder.
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 Posted 11/01/2014  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Since you mentioned your Morgan and Peace dollar collection I will assume you collect coins not bullion.

If this is true then the collector versions of the ASE are the way to go...Unc. W, proofs, reverse proofs etc. etc....MANY variations and sets from different mints (or just collect the W's or PF's from each year)

If you are into a bullion spot silver play AND like the ASE then go for the bullion version which is a pure silver play and is very easily sold.

I collect both...adding a couple of bullion rolls every year AND getting the collector versions as well...

Great looking coins....
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 Posted 11/03/2014  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ASEs are BOTH numismatic and bullion.
I have a set of ASEs in a Dansco, and it was a fun set to put together.
Think about it, with so many people treating the ASE like a puck of silver,
really nice ones are harder to find than you would think. Most are scratched,
fingerprinted, milk spotted, and generally abused.

One good thing about them selling as bullion is that when you do finally find that beauty,
it will cost you the same as the battered ones around it. Dealers don't put a premium on
the pretty ones, and dayum sure don't give you a break on the beaten and bruised ones either.

Anyway, that was my experience putting together a Dansco set of business strike ASEs.
(I also did the proofs and burnished, but couldn't bring myself to put those in an album.)
They make a 2 album set (#8181/8182) that includes proof and burnished, along with business
strikes, but IMO that's not the way to go. I won't consider my set done until I have the 95w,
and when I get that one, it's NEVER going in an album, so it would be weird to put the rest
of the proofs in an album, and not that one. Soooooooo, only business strikes in an album for me.
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 Posted 11/04/2014  11:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hollywood to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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One good thing about them selling as bullion is that when you do finally find that beauty,
it will cost you the same as the battered ones around it. Dealers don't put a premium on
the pretty ones, and dayum sure don't give you a break on the beaten and bruised ones either.


Ratio411

Proof ASE $52.95
Investor ASE $23.00

Both in lets say grade 65 but ungraded

Would each only sell for todays spot price of $16 ?

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 Posted 11/04/2014  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The bullion dealer down the street from my house puts a premium on BU bullion, particularly the current year's ASE's that he pulls from monster boxes. Even though I'm mainly stacking bullion ASEs when I buy them, I'll buy one or two of the current year but then for the rest of the year, I buy the older ASEs he has in stock for a dollar less of a markup.

Regardless of ASE/Maple/Phil/whatever, if it's BU my guy charges a small premium.
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ASE's will never be anything but bullion to me. Ever spent one?
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Have you ever spent a Morgan sSuperDdave?
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 Posted 11/04/2014  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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ASE's will never be anything but bullion to me. Ever spent one?
Myself, no. However, someone else did.
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 Posted 11/04/2014  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"ASE's will never be anything but bullion to me. Ever spent one?"
LoL... Two Cent pcs are bullion? Trimes? Double Eagles?

Hollywood:
I'm talking about business strikes. That should have been clear
when I was talking about coins with fingerprints and such. Never
suggested that the "collector" editions would sell at spot. Heck,
NO ASE sells at spot (from a dealer anyway). I was just saying,
that in my personal experience, dealers make no distinction between
a "nice" ASE vs an abused ASE. Whenever I have bought them, the
coins get dumped out, if they are lucky, on a soft surface, and
the price is the same per coin, no matter condition. I have yet
to find a dealer that charges more for one ASE in said pile of
ASEs, because the one you picked out was pretty. Just like I have
never seen a dealer charge less for an ASE because it was beat.
Maybe I'm just lucky?

Regardless, it's a fun set to put together, and truthfully, my
set is nice, but I can think of at least 2 years that could be
further upgraded. This is an ungraded, business strike, album
set... So don't try and make it sound like I am talking about
MS70 coins here either. Just really nice eye appeal, and lack
of naked eye problems. After all, no one is ever going into my
Dansco with a loupe.
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 Posted 11/05/2014  09:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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"ASE's will never be anything but bullion to me. Ever spent one?"
LoL... Two Cent pcs are bullion? Trimes? Double Eagles?


None of those, nor Morgans, are contemporary mintages. Under the broadest definition of "numismatic," ASE's fit, as do tokens and medals, but for the same reasons. Thoughts were requested, and it's my thought that an ASE is merely a lump of silver. The most beautiful lump of silver we've ever produced, but still.
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