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Coins With Holes - Thoughts?

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I have the opportunity to buy a nice colonial type coin in VF for about 40% of what it's worth because of a small hole at the top. Other than the hole its in great shape. I think I know what I'm going to do but wonder what others think about holed coins? I'm not worried about resale because it's ultimately not a huge investment and this is a "just so I can say I have one" type of coin.
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Many British catalogues in a foreword or elsewhere, rate the value of any holed coin at bullion status only.
I am inclined to pay a little more than just bullion value for an otherwise rare or expensive coin, but the fact remains that I am always dissapointed with such a severely damaged coin.

Some many years ago, I bought a Roman gold aureus of a rare type of Claudius with the Praetorian Camp IMPER RECEPT reverse, but with a bad test cut on the obverse. I eventually had to sell it because I was so dissapointed. Today that coin WITHOUT the test cut, would have a value of $8 to $10 thousand.

The Colonial copper the coin needs to be graded acurately as if it was not holed, but if it is an otherwise very valuable coin not holed, you would have to look very seriously if the 40% reduction for grade is a big enough reduction. You must remember that the coin is seriously damaged.

Nevertheless, it can be a cheap way of acquiring an otherwise rare or expensive coin.
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That's the sort of thing that's up to each person.
In my case I don't want a holed coin in my collection.
Nor do I generally want a DETAILS coin.
The exception to "no DETAILS coins" are Capped Bust Half Dimes for which I'm toying around with a die marriage set; 120+ varieties in only 9 years.
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I view all holed coins as noncollectable. I recommend spending a few more dollars and get a problem free coin you wont regret later.
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I have the opportunity to buy a nice colonial type coin in VF for about 40% of what it's worth because of a small hole at the top.


....and you haven't written the check yet?

It's a deliberate hole, not accidental damage. Therefore, for someone, somewhere, it was once something whose value exceeded anything monetary. For certain collectors, that's an irresistible draw.
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with SsuperDdave.

But ...not knowing your circumstances, my bit of advice would be to consider how much of your 'coin money' you're going to tie up and how much do you love it?

If you don't love it and you're going to tie up all your spending money for awhile, then you might want to reconsider.
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Thanks for the thoughts so far. To clarify a little more, the hole is small and deliberate and in the field of the coin towards the top. The 40% equates roughly to $40.
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Yeah, I thought as much. The little hole at the top makes me think it was worn as jewelry. It was probably very precious to the original owner.

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I have a section in my collection with holed coins. I enjoy the fact that someone prized them, and the history of stringing coins or sewing coins into garments for safe keeping. That being said I do not pay much for them. My LCS holds them out for me - usually for little or no charge. To each their own, $40 bucks for a colonial sounds good to me!
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I found a key date 1855-S holed then filled seated half at a pawn shop about 6 months ago. This date is definitely hard to come by and I have no regrets on buying because I got it so cheap. Sometimes holed or damaged coins are the only way to get a key date or expensive coin into your collection. I see no problem buying if the price is right.
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with WheatBack for the most part.
Decision to add or not to add a damaged coin to one's collection depends mostly on the nature of the damage vs the likelihood of finding or being able to afford the same coin in undamaged condition.
There ought to be a subset of the familiar adage 'buy the coin, not the slab', i.e. 'buy the coin, not the hole'.
All holes in coins are deliberate. Some are clean and nicely placed to avoid significant features while others seem placed with the purpose to deface. These in my opinion are to be avoided, unless one has a fetish for culls or wishes to emulate nalaberong's 'holed copper board'. Minor or cleanly made perforations, however, can be very acceptable. But it's typically a matter of purely personal choice; of mental gymnastics; of evaluating the monetary aspects of such an acquisition in relation to the natural desire to fill an album hole, as well as the possible future negative resale value of a damaged piece. A forty percent discount is pretty motivational with a scarcer or higher value coin but insignificant with something such as a frequently-holed common date large cent. As for eventual resale, if the coin looks good enough to tempt one collector, it undoubtedly will appeal to others. So.. I'd say go for it, and do please show it here.
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As I was completing my Indian Head cent set I would come across quite a few holed coins. I decided to do an entire holed IHC collection, it was fun and cheap. I didn't think I would ever come across a holed 1877 but one finally showed up on ebay but the bidiots bid it up to 700 bucks. Ahhhh well, someday I'll find you.
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Here is the coin in question. Though not technically what some would call a colonial these did circulate in the early US as legal tender. I am working on assembling a good circulated type set of early reale coins. These are the sellers picks, just picked this up for $42.


Coins-With-Holes---Thoughts?

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Ah -- that is a fascinating coin. Enjoy.
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Nice! IMO, the hole isn't a huge distraction.
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Nice! IMO, the hole isn't a huge distraction.




Every one you can find at $42.
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