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Here's An IHC Variety I Want To Find!

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I was unaware of this IHC variety--just spotted it in my new Snow guides and saw this one on ebay: 1862 Snow-14 "Scarface". These are raised lines on the coin.
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There are two theories on what happened: either a mint employee went nuts with a sharp tool, or it could be a hub-through of some fibrous material. What do you think?

I'm leaning towards tool marks as the straight (fast?) and curved (slow?) scratches seem to support a tool being used on an (unhardened?) die. Also due to the way the gouges follow the ribbon contour, which makes sense if someone forced a pointed object along the die's recesses...

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11/03/2014 2:59 pm
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Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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yeah, that's the ticket!
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lol. Raymo.
I think I might actually have one of these in low grade condition. I'll look for it tonight.
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Wow--that would be cool. Rick Snow calls it "very rare" in his latest variety guide.
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I will have to look. I know I kept one, that had a bunch of funny scratches on it, for some reason. You could see them in front of the face and the neck.
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I suppose I better check mine. You never know.

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Alright here is my scarface coin. Unfortunately it's a lower grade and most of the scarring is gone. You can still see it in some key spots though.

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First pic OBV. Cant see much.

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Second pic REV.

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Third pic is a little blurry but it is the only one that shows the scratch heading left from what remains of the top diamond. You can also kind of see the scratch just above where the ribbon meets the pearls.

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Fourth pic shows scratches coming off the tip of the earlobe and the scratch coming from the crease in the neck very well.
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I did not focus on it, but you can also see the O clash on the OBV forehead of mine as well.
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That would be a tough one to cherry pick in higher grades.
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Waxyyyyyyy you're getting sleepy sleeeeepy...send it to Raymo...



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Raymo. It would work better if it was spinning.
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Yeah--that sure looks like it! The date positions match and the scratch under the chin is very clear, and matches the MS coin.
I think I see other matches, like the big scratch across the cheek. Interesting to see how much wear obliterates this variety.
Looks like the scratch under the chin is a good PUP for more circulated examples.
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From the looks of it. It would not take a lot of wear to lose most of the markers. Granted the coin I have is only VG10 - F12 maybe. I still shows some signs of the scratches. I can see more with the naked eye, but is really hard to get in the pictures.
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