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Morgan Experts-Near Or Normal Date?

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 Posted 09/03/2007  4:40 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Bottleguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Whether or not this is a "Near" date or "Normal" date will weigh heavily on the relative rarity of this Morgan. I'm purposely not showing the whole date in order not to sway anyone's judgement.

So, what say you? Near or Normal? It seems to fall right on the border.......

(I'll reveal the whole date after a few responses).

Thanks,

Rick

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 Posted 09/03/2007  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately, that varies by issue. Need to know the date.
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 Posted 09/03/2007  5:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know nothing about the subject at hand, but that's a pretty good close up you have there..
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 Posted 09/03/2007  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bottleguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks!.... scanners can do a pretty good job!

Dave,

Here's another picture of a different coin.... same date, same mint.

There are only near and normal dates for this mintage. This one looks "nearer" to me.

Does this help any? (if it doesn't, I'll reveal the date and mint).

Thanks!

Rick

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 Posted 09/03/2007  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To me, the original coin is the "normal" date, and the bottom coin is the near date. It seems fairly clear.
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Okay....

Here's the bottom line. The coin in question is a 1897-P, pitted reverse. Could be either a VAM 6A-Pitted Reverse with a Near Date:

http://www.vamworld.com/1897-P+VAM-6A

or, a VAM 1A-Pitted Reverse with a Normal Date:

http://www.vamworld.com/1897-P+VAM-1A.

They are identical except for the date placement, but the difference is that the VAM 1A has never been found...

Here's a pic of the two coin dates together. They are both 1897-Ps. The one labled "NEAR DATE" does not have a pitted reverse. The one labled "NORMAL DATE" is the coin in question.

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Here's the obverse of the pitted reverse coin:

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Here's the reverse:

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And here's a closeup of the pitting:

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So, what do you think? Long lost 1897-P VAM 1A , or common everyday VAM 6A ? You can burst my bubble if you want, I won't mind.... this is actually a lot of fun!

Thanks,

Rick
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 Posted 09/04/2007  4:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Um, in my opinion,

The bottom serif of the 1 on your coin does not reach the second denticle from the neck point, as the Near Date example shows. I understand completely now, why you chose to present it in this fashion.
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 Posted 09/04/2007  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bottleguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Dave!

is what I figured. Apparently there were two "near date" dies used for the 1897-P........ and I've got one of each!

Thanks again,

Rick
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 Posted 09/05/2007  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When you consider that there were 70 dies produced for the 1897-P, each having the date stamped into it individually, it's a wonder there aren't more variations.
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