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 Posted 11/13/2014  07:21 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Spikey Norman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014...22Z420141112

Perhaps not mere fruitbat speculation by those that contested such was happening after all?

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 Posted 11/13/2014  08:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This actually can cause serious implications - there are mines that operate and mine gold at the cost of 1100 USD / oz. If price continue to fall, this may result in a few mines to shut down. Question is how many mines will close and when prices will be corrected.
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 Posted 11/13/2014  09:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If there are ways to manipulate a system to an institutional traders advantage it will be exploited. This has been proven time and again.

The system is rigged against the small trader. Doesn't matter whether it's stocks, interest rates or commodities.
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 Posted 11/13/2014  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuckeyeCoinGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Totally manipulated I believe.

I don't think the mining output is as big of factor for gold as it is silver. With all gold ever mined still available, annual mining supply is minimal compared to the total inventory. Now the gold mined is hot inventory in that it must be sold for the miners to get paid. Kind of like wholesaling coins vs retailing them. After the mining production though, price can entice lots of ounces / tonnes out of private hands.

The natural offset for gold honestly is interest rates. With interest rates at essentially zero, you should be at the top of the gold price cycle. If interest rates ever do rise more than the lip service rate hikes we are contemplating for perhaps as early as this spring or summer, gold will get crushed.


The more I think about this, of course gold is manipulated. If interest rates are price fixed by a cartel and manipulated down below the inflation rate (negative real interest rates) then of course gold is manipulated. The market forces should have gold at a relatively high level in that environment. The fact that we are not is somewhat proof. Now perhaps you can argue that the price of gold is anticipating a rate hike and that I can't counter, other than to argue the magnitude of any potential rate hike can't possible justify the price of gold from it's all time high.
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 Posted 11/20/2014  07:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paulmaritz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is there any market out there that is not manipulated?
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Silver and Gold both are Manipulated to babysit the Ding Dollar. Its so funny.
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silverworld11: It's kind of hard to see your point when you simply spit out insults over your last few posts.

As to gold mines shutting down: It won't affect the gold supply that much if you just think about it. Most gold is recycled and refined anyhow. A lot of "old" gold finds its way back into the market either by people who sell their gold because times are tough, or from straight up crime, though the crime is greater when the price is on a constant rise because the price jump is in the news more thus enticing criminals. Price possibly goes down because competing mines want the most business, like any business would do they cut each others' throats. Maybe one mine's supply can outlast another's therefore they drop their price, making the rest take big losses or shut down completely. It's a lot like OPEC or DeBeers.

So the people in rough times sell their gold and the supply is taken from there to the refiners People generally don't buy as much gold unless they perceive it as valuable via dollar price jump, they don't always see gold for what it is, an amazing shiny artistic metal. So the price sees very little steam unless there's a boom. For what it's worth, I could care less what the price is at I still make a living. Up, down, sideways, I don't gamble.

The world is socially better off when the gold price is stable and even. Gold is seen as a steady rock, but these days people want a fast buck, not gold; they want a dollar vehicle to ride to make them rich with the littlest input and effort. That disconnect is clear if you look at the way the world has changed very drastically since 1971. That's just my opinion.
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Yes its been going on so long now thats its considered normal , corruption runs deep at the highest levels.


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I learned early in my life the reason poor people are poor, they keep doing what they are doing I also learned that rich people are rich is because they keep doing what they are doing,so on a small scale I started doing what rich people do, so far it has worked out rather well. Just saying this may not work well for others who cannot stand extreme up and downs.
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