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Why Would Anyone Want A Morgan Instead Of A Peace Dollar?

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 Posted 11/23/2014  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Necer149 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have to go with Morgans of course. They are so diverse (is that the right word?) with 5 different mintmarks. Beautiful DMPL, and PL examples are also out there. GSA holders. A few examples of MS69 coins struck at the S mint in the early 80s. And for the reverse, I like the eagle's wings spread out better then being held against their will stuck to the eagle. I dunno, just my opinion...
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 Posted 11/23/2014  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinlover168 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Morgans on the other hand appear to have been manufactured strictly for coin collectors and hoarders, as souvenirs. They were all locked away in vaults right after they were minted with the intent of late distribution as collector items.

That is false. It is true that the US Mint minted more than they needed, but that is because of a contract they had with a silver supplier. The contract stated that the US Mint would buy at least [some large amount of silver] every year. The mint had to use that silver, hence so many Morgans being struck.

It is also true that the Mint sold them to collectors, but that was not the intention of minting them. Selling just happened to be a good source of revenue for something that would have just been left sitting in vaults.
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 Posted 11/23/2014  9:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scottk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, so you have a "coin" that was never used as currency, was never needed as currency, and was kept in vaults, and then sold to collectors instead of being put to some other good use.

Sounds fishy to me. It would be interesting to have recordings of the off the record conversations that took place between the mints and the government officials of the day.

"Hey John, if we just tell people we accidentally bought too much silver, we'll have a huge surplus of ordinary silver dollars we can sell at a premium as collector items. "

"Sounds good Wilford, see if you can make sure they get exposed to plenty of air, so they'll get all toned and historic looking."
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 Posted 11/23/2014  11:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinlover168 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are some links if you want to read more on the history of the Morgan dollar:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_dollar
http://coinsite.com/1878-1921-silve...llar-morgan/
http://www.gainesvillecoins.com/tip...minting.aspx

And scottk, who ever said they were never used in circulation? Not all of them were stored in vaults.
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 Posted 11/24/2014  12:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Ok, so you have a "coin" that was never used as currency, was never needed as currency, and was kept in vaults, and then sold to collectors instead of being put to some other good use.


Again, let's at least get our facts straight. The above statements misrepresent the true state of affairs. They most obviously did circulate, mostly in the western areas of the country. They were overproduced per the requirements of the Bland-Allison Act, hence a large quantity were placed in storage, so in a sense they weren't "needed" other than to back the issuance of silver certificates. Many were melted down during WWI as mandated by the Pittman Act, and in fact this is the prime reason for the coining of the 1921 Morgans and the subsequent Peace dollars, to replenish stocks to once again adequately back the paper currency. Many more silver dollars were once again melted down during WWII. Up into the 1960's, the remainder in storgae were available at face value, and releases of these coins were arranged every Christmas season (due to their popularity as children's gifts). When the price of silver rose to a point where it exceeded the coin's face value, the Treasury conducted an audit, and discovered they had a lot of Carson City minted Morgans. Rather than melt those down (which was the initial inclination), the government actually did something sensible and auctioned them off through the GSA, generating a lot of reveune for the federal coffers.
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 Posted 11/24/2014  12:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scottk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually Lucky, it appears you have merely reiterated what I have stated all along....

Overproduced children's gifts sold at a premium to stuff the pockets of politicians after sitting in vaults for a long period of time.

Ahhh... good ol Morgan dollars - so rich in history.
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Actually Lucky, it appears you have merely reiterated what I have stated all along....

Overproduced children's gifts sold at a premium to stuff the pockets of politicians after sitting in vaults for a long period of time.

Ahhh... good ol Morgan dollars - so rich in history.


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 Posted 11/24/2014  01:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scottk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Ohhh... I don't really have anything against Morgans.

I think I was just sort of over exposed to them when I first got into collecting, which was just 8-9 months ago.

I got this impression that if you're collecting US coins, then there's an unwritten rule that you are required to be into Morgans, and for that very reason, I'm not getting into Morgans.

It almost seems like an entire other subject - like there's coin collecting, and then there's Morgan collecting.

I have no doubt that if this site had a "classic coin grading" forum, and a "Morgan grading" forum, both would be just about equally busy.

Anyway, no use sitting here arguing with three people who have Morgan dollar avatars -
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 Posted 11/24/2014  02:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mullen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had already guessed you were a new collector just by the lack of knowledge, respect and facts you have.

Just by reading your posts it seems you are young as well.
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 Posted 11/24/2014  08:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice 1921 mysilveryears. Here's my best 1921

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No comparison to the sharpness of strike on yours. One 1921 in ten thousand looks like that. The rest are mush and look awful IMO.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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I had already guessed you were a new collector just by the lack of knowledge, respect and facts you have.

Just by reading your posts it seems you are young as well.


We have a large quantity of senses of humor enroute, and we'll be distributing them for free when they arrive, to those in need.
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SsuperDdave, you're truly Ssuper!

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 Posted 11/24/2014  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gyrene7483 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Anyway, no use sitting here arguing with three people who have Morgan dollar avatars
scottk one must keep an open mind and consider the actual facts that those who have a LOT more knowledge of the Morgan dollars than you are providing. As you can see I do NOT have a Morgan dollar as my avatar and as many of the members know I am NOT an avid Morgan dollar collector. My specialty is Liberty Seated coinage and type sets. Yes, I do on occasion, buy a Morgan dollar for my collection and such purchase is for a very specific reason.

If you, for whatever reason, decide not to collect Morgan dollars then no one will criticize you for that. There are probably as many non Morgan dollar collectors as there are who can not get enough of them. To each their own but, to think that the government in the late 1870's made a conscious decision to over produce silver dollars so that nearly 100 years later they can have a public auction to sell them for a profit is ridiculous.

The Bland-Allison Act was essentially a necessary bailout for the silver miners in the west who were mining more silver than there was a market for. To keep the price of silver stable the government decided to buy most of that silver and instead of stockpiling bars of it they struck silver dollars which was preferred over the paper dollar in the west. Not mentioned yet is the fact that in the 1950's and early 1960's the government paid out millions of silver dollars over the counter to people at face value who wanted a real dollar with intrinsic silver value versus a paper dollar to stash away.
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 Posted 11/25/2014  01:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CopperCastle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll begin by saying that I do prefer the aesthetics of the Peace Liberty over that of the Morgan Liberty. I'll follow up by saying that If you were to offer me a random year Peace dollar or a random year Morgan dollar both slabbed & graded the same by the same TPG...I would take the Morgan every time. Are you asking yourself why? The same reason I like Coronet cents over Flying eagles & Flying eagles over Indian heads & Indian heads over Wheaties & Wheaties over Lincoln's & Lincoln's over Zincolns. Are you sensing a pattern here? If not...you should brush up on your U.S. numismatic history before posing questions that you really don't want the answers to anyway.
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