Posted 11/28/2014 6:15 pm
Good evening my friend Bob
you have been slow to come comment on photos, I was allowed to ask meantime expertise on several other forums especially Spanich , believe me nobody else told that my coin was a fake except you . In the footsteps of "brushing" on the surface of the part as you said, especially between the letters and the number 7 the date 1770, what you think the result of brushing and reproduction by molding, I had said earlier that the coin when I bought it was covered with black-brown soot between letters and especially the number 7 of the date, which had eroded the corners as if the coin was "drowned" in salt water for a long time. lemon juice what I used to clean the coin has cleaned soot and showed the spaces cleaned as "eroded" or rough appearance since moisture had marrying the surface many many years as to have left the trace after so years, quite common in many recent circulating coins mostly made of silver metal that is quite fragile due to erosion: these conclusions are also the summary of expertise that I exposed my coin in vivo in the hands of Conservative numismatic expert of a museum of antiquities in my city Tangier.
others gave me double the price to sell it them.
a collector of old Spanish Cobs, treasures of Atocha (as he likes to call these coins) said "without loss of time and at first look it is a 100% genuine congratulations! I know how is false and authentic, all my life I did that! make no obsession on your, there is authentic. "
Believe me if most were telling me that my coin was a fake, I would have accepted this hypothesis without remorse, but I'm sorry you are the only person of all to have deduced the coin is fake, molded and brushed!
My friend thank you for your answers.
(( google traductio from French texte here : ))
bonsoir mon ami Bob
vous avez mis du temps avant de venir commenter les photos , ça m'a permis entretemps de demander expertises sur plusieurs autres forums surtout Espagnols , crois-moi personne autre que vous ne m'a dit que ma pièce était un faux . Pour les traces de "brossage" sur la surface de la pièce comme vous avez dit , surtout entre les lettres et sur le chiffre 7 de la date 1770 , ce que vous pensez résultat de brossage et d'une reproduction par moulage , je vous avais dit auparavant que la pièce quand je l'avais achetée était couverte de suie noire-marron entre les lettres et surtout sur le chiffre 7 de la date , ce qui avait érodé ces coins comme si la pièce était "noyée" dans l 'eau salée un certain temps . le jus de citron que j'ai utilisé pour nettoyer la pièce a fait enlever la suie et montré les endroits ainsi nettoyés comme "érodés" ou d'aspect rugueux car la couche épousait la surface au point d'avoir laissé la trace après tant d'années écoulées , chose courante dans assez bon nombre de pièces surtout faites de métal argent qui est assez fragile face aux érosions : ces conclusions sont aussi le sommaire d'une expértise à laquelle j'ai exposé ma pièce in vivo entre les mains d'un expert en numismatique conservateur d'un musée d'antiquités de ma ville Tanger .
d'autres personnes m'ont donné le double du prix pour que je la leur vende.
un Espagnol vieux collectionneur des Cobs , des tresors d'Atocha (comme il aime dire de ces pièces) a dit de suite " sans perte de temps et à première vue c'est une authentique félicitations! j'en connais en fausses et authentiques , toute ma vie je ne faisais que ça ! ne te fais aucune obssession là dessus c'est une réelle".
Crois-moi si la plupart me disait que ma pièce était un faux , j'aurais admis cette hypothèse sans remord , mais je suis désolé vous étes le seul de la foule qui tranche que la pièce est fausse , moulée et brossée !
Merci de tes réponses mon ami.
to complete my last post , & in order to proove you that the coin was surely "sunk" for a long period into aggressive water that eroded its surface especially between letters & on the 7 of the date ( little spaces where there is condensation of details ), here's a picture of the coin as soon as I have bought it , before having clenaed moisture by citron juice , look how surface (especially small spaces between letters & numbers) were black-brown looking , there was perfectly adhesing there in the point of having let prints & traces after the clean ( when those spaces were empty of this adhesive black-brown substances made during a long period )
the part not well appearing of the crown on the right pilar is the result of the old primitive making coins method ( pressing paste silver between 2 metal surfaces ), it is usual in old coins manually made so to notice some details which had not perfectly reproduced the "motif" .. imperfected old methods sometimes gives imperfected coin details ...
Look at the first picture , I apologize the bad quality & I regret to don't having used the new camera I have recently used before I have cleaned the coin
(( I speak & write French more better than English so excuse my language , If the idea is clear that's the essential
thanks ))
you have been slow to come comment on photos, I was allowed to ask meantime expertise on several other forums especially Spanich , believe me nobody else told that my coin was a fake except you . In the footsteps of "brushing" on the surface of the part as you said, especially between the letters and the number 7 the date 1770, what you think the result of brushing and reproduction by molding, I had said earlier that the coin when I bought it was covered with black-brown soot between letters and especially the number 7 of the date, which had eroded the corners as if the coin was "drowned" in salt water for a long time. lemon juice what I used to clean the coin has cleaned soot and showed the spaces cleaned as "eroded" or rough appearance since moisture had marrying the surface many many years as to have left the trace after so years, quite common in many recent circulating coins mostly made of silver metal that is quite fragile due to erosion: these conclusions are also the summary of expertise that I exposed my coin in vivo in the hands of Conservative numismatic expert of a museum of antiquities in my city Tangier.
others gave me double the price to sell it them.
a collector of old Spanish Cobs, treasures of Atocha (as he likes to call these coins) said "without loss of time and at first look it is a 100% genuine congratulations! I know how is false and authentic, all my life I did that! make no obsession on your, there is authentic. "
Believe me if most were telling me that my coin was a fake, I would have accepted this hypothesis without remorse, but I'm sorry you are the only person of all to have deduced the coin is fake, molded and brushed!
My friend thank you for your answers.
(( google traductio from French texte here : ))
bonsoir mon ami Bob
vous avez mis du temps avant de venir commenter les photos , ça m'a permis entretemps de demander expertises sur plusieurs autres forums surtout Espagnols , crois-moi personne autre que vous ne m'a dit que ma pièce était un faux . Pour les traces de "brossage" sur la surface de la pièce comme vous avez dit , surtout entre les lettres et sur le chiffre 7 de la date 1770 , ce que vous pensez résultat de brossage et d'une reproduction par moulage , je vous avais dit auparavant que la pièce quand je l'avais achetée était couverte de suie noire-marron entre les lettres et surtout sur le chiffre 7 de la date , ce qui avait érodé ces coins comme si la pièce était "noyée" dans l 'eau salée un certain temps . le jus de citron que j'ai utilisé pour nettoyer la pièce a fait enlever la suie et montré les endroits ainsi nettoyés comme "érodés" ou d'aspect rugueux car la couche épousait la surface au point d'avoir laissé la trace après tant d'années écoulées , chose courante dans assez bon nombre de pièces surtout faites de métal argent qui est assez fragile face aux érosions : ces conclusions sont aussi le sommaire d'une expértise à laquelle j'ai exposé ma pièce in vivo entre les mains d'un expert en numismatique conservateur d'un musée d'antiquités de ma ville Tanger .
d'autres personnes m'ont donné le double du prix pour que je la leur vende.
un Espagnol vieux collectionneur des Cobs , des tresors d'Atocha (comme il aime dire de ces pièces) a dit de suite " sans perte de temps et à première vue c'est une authentique félicitations! j'en connais en fausses et authentiques , toute ma vie je ne faisais que ça ! ne te fais aucune obssession là dessus c'est une réelle".
Crois-moi si la plupart me disait que ma pièce était un faux , j'aurais admis cette hypothèse sans remord , mais je suis désolé vous étes le seul de la foule qui tranche que la pièce est fausse , moulée et brossée !
Merci de tes réponses mon ami.
to complete my last post , & in order to proove you that the coin was surely "sunk" for a long period into aggressive water that eroded its surface especially between letters & on the 7 of the date ( little spaces where there is condensation of details ), here's a picture of the coin as soon as I have bought it , before having clenaed moisture by citron juice , look how surface (especially small spaces between letters & numbers) were black-brown looking , there was perfectly adhesing there in the point of having let prints & traces after the clean ( when those spaces were empty of this adhesive black-brown substances made during a long period )
the part not well appearing of the crown on the right pilar is the result of the old primitive making coins method ( pressing paste silver between 2 metal surfaces ), it is usual in old coins manually made so to notice some details which had not perfectly reproduced the "motif" .. imperfected old methods sometimes gives imperfected coin details ...
Look at the first picture , I apologize the bad quality & I regret to don't having used the new camera I have recently used before I have cleaned the coin
(( I speak & write French more better than English so excuse my language , If the idea is clear that's the essential
thanks ))
