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1943 Canadian Tombac Nickel Variety

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 Posted 11/28/2014  11:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Certainly some nice Tombacs in this thread.
Here's a couple more..

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 Posted 11/28/2014  11:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice examples for sure..I see this last one as a 42 "floating beaver" ..at least that's what I used to call them..

Would that 42 be a soft strike or over-polished dies..?
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 Posted 11/28/2014  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It seems to be struck up quite well both sides so I'd say polishing. "Floating beaver" thats a good name for it.
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 Posted 11/28/2014  11:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting to see that the '44 sold for US$35,075 in VF35 in '99 and the current price listed in C&C in a VF20 is CDN$90,000. I'm not sure that an estimation of $90K could be accurate based on the sale of the one coin? Plus the grade difference? I guess a value needed to be given, but why not in VF35. Is C&C assuming that the grade was wrong with the VF35?

Also, if someone found a roll in an attic as suggested, would that person declare that they found a roll to the entire coin community? I think I would, but then again... I think this may be an interesting poll...
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 Posted 11/28/2014  12:25 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Steve when you look at the 1944 Tombac in the HA archives research section, it appears to be a Canadian VF 20 for grade. PCGS is famous for gradeflating rarities. In my opinion they( PCGS) cannot grade Canadian or Australian coins to save their souls. If I found a roll of any rarity ( quantity rare or grade rare )................lips are sealed and it gets pieced out carefully over time, as long as the original purchase price didn't break my bank account!

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 Posted 11/28/2014  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Pacificoin, for pointing that out.
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 Posted 11/28/2014  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scissel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I see a raised edge on the above bellmaker tombac 43 but I don't see the clash marks...


"A heavy collar clash is defined as: a die that was damaged by striking the interior edge of the collar, resulting in an outline of... the smooth edge of the collar being transferred to the die, usually in the rim area, showing on the coin as a curved arc on the rim..." - Margolis - Price Guide to Mint Errors, 6th Ed.

If it's not a collar clash, then maybe metal is squeezing in between the die and the collar? In any case, something weird is happening on the rim.
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Thanks for the added info on "the clash" description for the rim edge.

2 of the my previous pics show a partial raised line at the rim edge,..so maybe it happens a lot..and even on business or specimen coins alike of that series. ..

I'll have to check my 42 beaver tombac's also for that raised rim edge....
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 Posted 11/28/2014  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just checked a few tombac beaver 42's..

..and they all have a raided or partially raised edge at the rim..whether it be business or specimen strikes..

...so probably very common to see.
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 Posted 11/28/2014  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are pictures of my 1942 Tombac, it has a raised
edge, and a piece that is peeling off, not sure but
the metal under it looks red so it could be PMD on
the rim at 10 O'Clock Reverse. Lovely die breaks all
over the place, reverse die break by the left leaf,
connection between the AD in Canada. Obverse die breaks
on the legend and off the corner of the bust. I had
to get it out of the 2x2 to photo. I got it with a
group of other commems from WWII. Never really looked
at it until now.




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 Posted 11/28/2014  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I found this 1943 Tombac as well.
A large Obverse Die Break, raised edge.



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 Posted 11/28/2014  7:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add castor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello

This is not a collar clash but this:

Wire edge
The thin, knife-like projection seen on some rims created when metal flows between the collar and the dies.

http://www.pcgs.com/Lingo/W
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 Posted 11/28/2014  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Like I said earlier, these guessing game threads make my head hurt. "Not exactly easy to come by" "This second coin, is the exact opposite of the first coin and also not exactly easy to come by"

What EXACTLY are you asking or trying to point out here, bellmaker? I'm always looking to learn something new, but this kind of stuff to me is just a silly, frustrating waste of time. Ask a specific question or make a specific statement.
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 Posted 11/28/2014  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robmck1967 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey lets just make this a "post your tombacs" thread
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Nice lamination error

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