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 Posted 12/11/2014  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bob, selling a fake 8R falls a long distance from ANA guidelines. How would ANA even have a clue without your book?

I rarely use ebay for coin purchases other than junk 90%. And unless I'm dealing with Sedwick or Larry Briggs I don't buy $50 coins on the internet at all. For junk like this 8R there is no substitute for having the coin in-hand at a real coin shop.

I use ebay a lot simply because it's a good international flea market. People don't forge Rookwood pottery, Vanderslice spoons and McCabe buckles like they forge Spanish colonial coins. There are still bargains and unique items to be had where authenticity isn't a concern.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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 Posted 12/11/2014  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
THQ I agree there are even bargains in the coin section - but you need to know your stuff.
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 Posted 12/11/2014  3:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's the naive sellers we're looking for, who don't know s. from shinola. If ebay chases them away for selling junk they haven't got a clue about, all the fun is gone. All that'll left are the sharks who are experts at bending whatever rules there are to tease naive buyers.

Several months ago I bought an Elizabeth Barrett modernist Rookwood vase on ebay. The seller knew she had something, but she didn't know that this unique pot was photo'd Peck's guide. Absolutely no crazing, great modernism in Rookwood's last phase. The pot is one in a hundred IMO, and I passed on at least a hundred others. I need sellers like that.
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 Posted 12/11/2014  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jgenn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Back to the coin under discussion -- I bought one of these off of ebay as a study piece a few years ago. I think I paid about $5. Mine has reeded edges. Since I knew from the portrait that it was a modern forgery I did not look too carefully at the reverse but now I realize that there's a typo on one of the banners -- it reads PLIS instead of PLUS.
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 Posted 12/11/2014  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are actually multiple molds for this type. It has been around so long that the mold masters have worn.
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 Posted 12/12/2014  03:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For the record this coin is NOT Miao silver. Miao silver is a specific alloy that contains around 2% silver and looks very similar to silver minus the luminosity. This is a dime-a-dozen base metal fake with 0% silver. "Miao silver" has become a convenient way to sort of tip off people that it is not genuine, but not clearly enough so that some beginner will fall for it. Though to be completely honest, anyone who collects these coins and can't tell that it's fake by the really bad details pretty much deserves what they got for their $50.
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If this item is NOT composed of maio silver, the seller is deliberately misrepresenting the item he has for sale.
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 Posted 12/12/2014  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My contention all along was that the description was an intentionally deceptive (fraudulent) description from the get go.
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