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1886 O Morgan Dollar - Real Or Fake?

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Thanks for the help. I picked it up at swap-meet for 24 bucks. It looked good and weighted in at 26.7g. Thanks for any help.

1886-O-Morgan-Dollar---Real-Or-Fake?

1886-O-Morgan-Dollar---Real-Or-Fake?

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Try the magnet test
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IF you have a very strong neo magnet, try putting it on the face and rapidly jerking it upwards to see if the coin sticks. If it sticks for a moment, it is real.
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It looks good to me very expensive coin after AU 58 $24 for a nice circulated Morgan is a good price
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It looks good to me. Try the magnet test just to be sure.
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Looks like an honest circulated Morgan to me.
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Don't see why it would be a fake. If you have any doubts just do the magnet test as previously suggested.
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I see no reason to doubt it.
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I don't see any red flags. :-)
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Looks like a genuine circulated Morgan.
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Thanks. It weighs in good and I don't have a real strong magnet but it does not stick to my fridge magnet.
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Not sticking to a magnet proves virtually nothing about the authenticity of a coin or its composition.

Most fake coins are not made out of iron anyway. Instead, they are made out of copper.

The real magnet test is testing diamagnetism which you are actually looking for the coin to stick momentarily.
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There're two things about it visually that are suspicious. First, the "6" in the date looks to be sitting a bit high. More concerning is how much lower in grade the reverse appears to be than the obverse. That can be an indicator of a counterfeit.

The weight being where it ought to be suggests it's genuine, but Chinese fakes can nowadays be ordered up in the correct composition. But at $24, it seems to be the worst that might've happened here was that you bought a little silver at 2X spot.
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The weight being where it ought to be suggests it's genuine,
I agree that the weight can generally be able to determine real from fake, but sometimes, the counterfeiters may compensate for the loss of weight by increasing the coin's thickness. I do have such a coin. Weighs 26.7g but it's about 30% thicker than normal.The difference, while slight, makes all the difference.

In regards to the OP, try comparing the thickness of your morgan with that of a confirmed genuine sample.
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Looks legitimate to me.
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From what I can find, the dimensions of a real Morgan are 38.1mm or 1.5 inches diameter. My coin measures out 1.491 inches or 37.90mm, the thickness should be 2.4 mm or .09449 inches. My coin is 2.59mm or 0.102 inches. BTW I reload my own ammo so I have and use a set of digital calipers. I checked them against two other morgans I have one bought from a dealer in good standing here on this site, the other from a coin dealer. They measure as follows. 1896O Diameter is 37.8mm 1.49 inch Thickness comes in at .107 inch 2.72mm 1921 comes in at 38mm diameter 1.496 inch thickness is .113 inch or 2.87 mm
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