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Real Or Fake 1867 Indian Head

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 Posted 12/15/2014  12:35 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add yooper to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
The date does not look right to me on this coin. Real or fake?

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 Posted 12/15/2014  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
82.4 - that's some sweet feedback lol.
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 Posted 12/15/2014  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add iontyre to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Shouldn't an 1867 have the shallow N reverse? Doesn't look like one to me...
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 Posted 12/15/2014  1:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rpmes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry looked at that wrong, gotta turn my head with my eyes lol
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 Posted 12/15/2014  2:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep--the '67 is a shallow N rev.
Of course, they usually get the date wrong too--there was only one date type for this year.

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 Posted 12/15/2014  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add beaglebailey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would say definitely a fake and not a good one. Should be a shallow N reverse. Date and denticles don't look right
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 Posted 12/15/2014  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickel Guy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think this is a fake too.
This coin is an 1867 with a bold N. However, they only made the bold N's from 1870-76, then 1878-09.
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 Posted 12/15/2014  4:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul Bulgerin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is the coin itself a counterfeit, or is it an authentic coin with an altered date? The color and surfaces around the date look different than the rest of the coin.
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 Posted 12/15/2014  4:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think there's a practical way--for the digits (or that "N") to be altered/spread out, without showing the damage. It's fake to the core.
This serves as a cautionary tale--they're getting the overall details OK--so we need to look for the "weakest link"--often the date area.
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 Posted 12/15/2014  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joe2007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like the Flying Eagle they sold in October is fake too.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1857-1C-Fly...047675.l2557
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Yep . ebay really needs to have some sort of process to "authenticate", if you will, through pictures by a specialized team to determine if the coin is counterfeit.
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 Posted 12/15/2014  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll just add...don't entrust your purchases to ebay catching all the fakes--knowledge is the best defense.
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ebay had that. They disbanded it a few months ago, and the thieves are running rampant. I'm not exaggerating.
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 Posted 12/16/2014  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yooper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone. I am testing my ability to spot fakes and this input really helps.

I contacted both the seller and ebay and got no response from either. The coin sold for $61.00 and the "winning" bidder probably thinks he got a good deal.
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 Posted 12/16/2014  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just reading his feedback, I wouldn't have bid on his coin if it had been real.
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 Posted 12/16/2014  4:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And that bit in the auction about the "strong reverse" suggests to me the seller knows it should have the "shallow N". $60 of unmerited profit.
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