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Valued Member
United States
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Hi, I got this nickel today DDO-DDR-Rotated Die 1945P War Nickel, Or is it a double strike? or at least I think it is a 1945, might be 1943. I have included a bunch of photos. It is 180 degree rotated die. Not in great condition. But a wild error. See what you think. thank you       |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pretty cool looking despite the wear. Have you researched this on line?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
62064 Posts |
Looks like it was altered with several soft dies. No rim, the MONTICELLO is not altered when the devices SE are altered. Seems like if this one was real, we would have known about by now. Where is the mint mark above the dome?
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Valued Member
 United States
101 Posts |
hi, other than a quick google search. I thought I would see what some of the error people on here think. I always find an answer, great knowledgeable people.
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Valued Member
United States
101 Posts |
hi, photos of the mint mark.   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Wow,awesome of its legit...pretty sure I can see the P above the dome
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
5828 Posts |
Yeah, this coin would be something if it was legitimate... For your sake, I hope it is!
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Valued Member
United States
101 Posts |
hi, coop you for the opinion. my only problem with the altered coin thing is the 180 degree rotated die error. set up your soft dies, rotated, to restrike a legit error? it is a perfect 180 degree, so maybe. I do not know, any other error people have an opinion?
thank you
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I felt the rotated die to be a real twist in this one also-pun intended,sorry had to!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
62064 Posts |
The normal rotation for U.S. coins is 180 degree. Check other coins you have.
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Valued Member
United States
101 Posts |
hi, I guess I have to dig out the mirror. the coin is in addition to what you see, a rotated die error. the orientation is incorrect compared to a normal coin, with it being off by 180 degrees, or upside down when flipped.
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United States
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I do not know why I should be checking my other coins. Other than the fact that you have assumed, quite wrongly, that I have no idea what I am talking about. I will ask you, flip a U.S. coin, made in coin orientation, and the reverse design is now upside down, what do you call the degree rotation of that error? Don't belittle a discussion on a coin by telling me to pull out my pocket change, now if you would like to clarify a description or correct a definition, fine.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Sorry but I see a counterfeit coin, the planchet is too small and two doubled dies of that strength on the same coin is completely implausible. Either side would by far represent the strongest known doubled die in the entire Jefferson nickel series but to have two of that magnitude on the same coin? That would only happen with someone attempting to manufacture spurious errors. A counterfeit quarter with two massive doubled dies was posted a few years ago, same as this one- simply too much to be believable https://goccf.com/t/89281 |
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Very interesting piece there  is it silver? did you try a magnet? weight it? place it next another for size color comparison? It might be a counterfeit adjustment strike? (not necessarily Henning) could be a oldschool counterfeit which are cool also...  very interesting either way...  EDIT: after reading Coops post on soft die, I looked up soft die counterfeits and I found this article that explains this coin perfectly. http://numismaster.com/ta/numis/Art...ticleId=4938After reading this It is most likely 99% a modern fake? Similar to older fakes "errors" were produced by a group I dubbed the Southern California Underground Mint, or "SCUM" for short. they used stuff like aluminum similar to the disc attached to a older post of yours. did you find it in same place, collection as https://goccf.com/t/126853Edited by OcalaFlorida
12/17/2014 09:14 am
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United States
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Everything about this coin (based on just images I must admit) scream fake to me. The color, the die rotation, the lack of rim, the pitting, the parallel machining marks, the doubling of everything, the lack of detail, the white oxidation spots. Without having it in hand I cannot get the full experience of this coin, but here is my guess....this is a home brew experiment just to see if they could do it. The white oxidating spots lend me to think that this coin is actually made from lead (the pitted voids lend to this as well). See if you can scratch it with a fingernail. If you can you will have your answer
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12/17/2014 09:33 am
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Just thought I would upload a know lead object with some age for comparison (mind you this Gettysburg Civil War bullet has an extra 80 year of oxidation at least so the oxidation is more intense). I think the surfaces look remarkably similar in color, coverage, and appearance. Am eager to hear the results...  |
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