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Canada 1952 Silver Dollar Variety Help

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 Posted 12/20/2014  3:11 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add SolarPenny to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi, I got this coin a while ago and it was advertised as the SWL variety but after comparing it to the pictures in the Charlton catalogue I have I thought there was the possibility that it was an Arnprior dollar. To be sure I sent it to ICCS to be graded and it came back as the WL variety but all the other ICCS graded WL varieties look significantly different than the one I sent in. Just looking for opinions (this is the first time I have had a coin graded by ICCS). Thanks.



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For reference I have a 1952 silver dollar that looks like every other ICCS graded WL coin and it looks very different from the first picture.



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 Posted 12/20/2014  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Altaira to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I only see two varieties listed for 1952: "water lines" and "no water lines". There is no Arnprior listed for 1952.
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Looks like the Arnprior from Charlton to me. "No lines touch the canoe, but one and a half lines are present". Unless the third line becomes visible when you angle it (always hard to tell from pictures) in which case it would be SWL.
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 Posted 12/20/2014  3:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Welcome to the forum @Solarpenny, sure looks like an
SWL to me from the top photo. There is a good explanation
of the Arnprior on this thread.

https://goccf.com/t/79337
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12/20/2014 3:39 pm
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I have never seen a 1952 classified as an Arnprior sold before but my Charlton catalogue (2012) shows that they exist.

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I also have a Whitman folder that I keep my silver dollar set in and it has a spot for all 4 types (FWL, NWL, SWL, and ARN). I don't have an ICCS population report but I had a friend look it up for me and he said there were 141 graded MS-60 or higher.
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 Posted 12/20/2014  3:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Altaira to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They must have been listed after 2010. Sorry, my catalogue is a bit outdated.
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 Posted 12/20/2014  3:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SolarPenny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the links! I have looked at this one from every angle imaginable and only see the two water lines shown in the picture. Does this mean that ICCS made an error in identifying the variety? Or would they just grade the coin and not even bother classifying a variety (classify every 1952 dollar as a WL)?
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To add to the confusion (my confusion at least), Coins and Canada lists the 1952 WL variety and shows a picture with a single water line, and that "WL" type is not listed in my Charlton. http://www.coinsandcanada.com/coins...ar-1937-1952

ICCS didn't list anything at all on my 1946 which, like yours, to me is clearly SWL, but it was probably graded many years ago.
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Yeah that makes it even more complicated. I always thought that if any year was listed as "WL" then it meant that there was only one water line present, like in the coins and Canada link. However in the case of 1952's I've assumed that by WL they meant "Water lines" as every one I have seen (including mine) has more than one line. I don't even see the single water line variety in the Charlton catalogue at all for this year. I wonder if the picture from the coins and Canada link is in fact a 1952.
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From the picture the top water line is too long and although
hard to tell from the pictures I believe it runs all the way to the canoe. The waterlines would need to be about 1/2 as long as the waterlines I see in the picture. If you ask ICCS they would tell you the waterlines are too long. Your dollar is close to being SWL but the top waterline and how long it is would dis-qualify it from SWL.
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12/20/2014 6:17 pm
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Don't know if this helps but this is a '52 MS63 Waterline from ICCS grading. Sorry about the picture through the plastic.

I do own a '52 NWL but have no picture at the moment. There are no traces of waterlines whatsoever.

Yours does not look like WL nor like NWL but I'd hate to guess what it is.

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