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1903 Morgan Dollar

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Seller only provides this one picture of the obverse. Should I risk it at $50?

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Nervermind that, heres the reverse:



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Hard to say from the photos for sure but it looks like it could be an AU details coin, possibly over dipped in my opinion.
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Looks ok to me, but I'm new. Was going to say low MS , but would like to get a better look at the obverse. The lighting is a bit harsh.
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I was going to say low Ms as well but I too am new at this. What are the signs that this coin has possibly been dipped?
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I'd pass on this one, you can find better for $50.
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Check out this little article on overdipping
http://news.coinupdate.com/dipped-s...ctored-0529/
It may provide the help you're looking for.
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I agree. There will be plenty of other coins that look nicer than this one for $50.
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could be an AU details coin, possibly over dipped in my opinion

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[quote] What are the signs that this coin has possibly been dipped? [/qoute]

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Luster does seem lacking. AU-58 or so.
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Thanks for the great info. So, if I'm correct, this coin has also been dipped or cleaned in some manner:


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The (re)toning in the recesses immediately adjacent to the devices is suggestive of a past dipping. It's a semi-key date, though, and I don't see any obvious high point wear that ought to preclude an MS grade, which makes the asking price fairly attractive. If the luster is any better than it appears in the photos, which is possible, then it might be a steal.

Edit: Pytellc, is that second set of photos of the exact same coin?
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Nope, different. I was hoping to get some feedback on this one as well.
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You can buy MS-6x Morgans already slabbed for that price.
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It's not conclusively clear that a coin has been dipped until it's been so badly overdipped that no other explanation is possible. The only way to tell is the signs coins sometimes show when recovering from a dip. The fresh, raw surfaces can pick up toning far faster than normal in a propagation - particularly where stuff starts and the directions it grows - that tells a lot to people who have seen a few of them. The color of the stuff surrounding the eagle isn't evidence because the white balance isn't trustworthy but it sure doesn't look like "crud." It looks like what a coin recovering from a dip might tone like, and it kinda looks like some of that toning has been removed since. Double whammy. Buying this one is the numismatic equivalent of adopting a random stray. Honorable and useful, but it's still a stray.
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Thanks for the replies! What do you think of the second set of pictures? Those are of a seperate coin.
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