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Trade Dollar Opinions Please!

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 Posted 01/08/2015  7:13 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add noahs-numismatics to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Considering purchasing this dollar, but I have no experience with this series so I am looking for your opinions on the grade, eye-appeal and authenticity. I know these are faked often.
Thanks for your help!


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 Posted 01/08/2015  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add santafeboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll let others judge it's authenticity. I also hope to obtain a Trade dollar at some point but my first requirement will be that it is either NGC or PCGS graded I would not buy one raw
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 Posted 01/08/2015  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Silver Searcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm with SFB here. I would like to own one, but I won't touch a non-graded one with the amount of fakes out there.

The one you posted looks cleaned.
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01/08/2015 8:00 pm
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 Posted 01/08/2015  8:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Given the distribution of wear, I do not like how thick those rims are. They should be pressed further back against the field if they're that wide and worn.

However, this one would be tough to judge confidently without it in-hand.
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 Posted 01/08/2015  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I bought mine raw, but I kind of trusted Bill Fivaz when I bought it from him.

As for the OP's coin, something doesn't look right, but I could be wrong. I would need to look at it in hand.
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 Posted 01/08/2015  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks ok to me, except for the thick rims. Why bother to buy a raw one, when there are plenty of them already graded.
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 Posted 01/08/2015  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Westwood Arms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fake, the rims are too wide and the fields too clean.
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 Posted 01/08/2015  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moe145 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMO, with Trade dollars widely counterfeited since their initial minting, I would be leery of any Trade dollar not certified.
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 Posted 01/08/2015  11:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add noahs-numismatics to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay, thanks everyone!
Any suggestions as to some good online dealers to purchase certified coins from? The selection on ebay.ca seems to be quite limited.
Thanks!
Noah
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 Posted 01/09/2015  12:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks good to me from the pics. Hand looks good, letters and stars look uniform. I wouldn't be afraid to buy it if the weight was spot on and if it feels good in hand. (But everybody is paranoid of these things so tread with caution.)
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 Posted 01/09/2015  08:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with the "buy a certified" one.
That solves your concerns.
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 Posted 01/09/2015  09:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2012 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These are faked way too often for me to bu one raw. I would try and get a graded one.
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 Posted 01/09/2015  10:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unholyroller to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No to stir the pot...but when most of you say "go graded", do we know of any fake Trade dollars that are in fake slabs?
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 Posted 01/09/2015  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They do exist.
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 Posted 01/09/2015  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unholyroller to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is my point, and the continuing point of MANY people in the forum. "buy the coin and not the holder". To me I see no difference between my desire to buy a raw or graded coin as I am focused on the coin and not the plastic. I would genuinely say (and this is just my OCD kicking in) that if you cannot determine a real vs. fake coin on your own, you need to do more research and get some samples in hand before you start buying. Many hobbies I have partaken in I have read and learned for YEARS before I bought my first item. I love how supportive our forum is, but if you find yourself needing to lean on the forum to make a buying decision you are buying too soon. The best way to learn is by making the risks based on YOUR knowledge base. If you always make your decision based on others opinions you will not remember what you have learned nearly as well! There is nothing like being burned a time or two to get you to remember what you learned! Use the forum as a tool, not a crutch. :)

I say this as a professional educator, and try and instill in people, that in todays information age, it can become too easy to rely on the internet as your "brain". If you do that, should an opportunity arise and you cant get access to the internet, you may miss out on some great buys. For example.since the advent of smart and semi-smart phones, I find it amazing (myself included) how if you were stranded somewhere without your cell phone, most of us wouldn't know a single phone number to call someone at in order to have someone come pick us up. When I was a kid (before cell phones) I knew the phone number for easily a hundred people, today I would be surprised if anyone can go past 10 if even half that. This is the same for collectibles, don't let technology become your knowledge repository....learn it, love it, and you will win more often.
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01/09/2015 12:59 pm
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 Posted 01/09/2015  2:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree the look of the wide rim is a problem with this coin, avoid it.
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