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Hi everyone, this is an 1880-S Morgan that I bought when I was 15 -- 35 years ago or so. I only this week went back into my safety deposit box to check my coins. And am posting them here to see what folks can tell me about them, quality-wise. First off, I'm having a really hard time photographing toned silver coins and getting the color right. REALLY hard time. I've googled a bit on how to photograph coins, but still, I'm not entirely sure how people are photographing toned coins and getting the toning right (not exaggerating it, etc.) Every time I move the camera and get a different angle, the colors change. So, I'm posting several shots of the coin. I'm not sure if the swirling effect of the toning suggests that the coin had been dipped before I got it (i.e., artifical toning). I don't recall if it had THIS toning when I bought it 35 years ago. Overall, it's a quite medium-purple patina to the entire coin, with a lot of other colors when you look at the details. When I got the coin, I was told it was an MS65, for whatever that's worth. And I'd appreciate any tips on photographing toned silver coins. I have a number of them I tried to photograph today. Thanks.   Here's how the color changes when you shift the angle:   And here's the coloring on the top of the face of the coin:  *** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. ***Edited by jakesis
01/13/2015 7:16 pm
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MS64, market acceptable, although not attractive to me.
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 United States
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Agree. TPG's will grade AT if the color sequence is correct. I've seen it. swcoin.ecrater.com
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 United States
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Does the toning look artificial? I kind of like it in person (it was impossible to photograph accurately). (And sorry about posting this apparently in the wrong sub-forum -- thanks to the mods for moving it.)
And Vermontensium, I've read about the sequence of colors often being wrong with artificial toning, that that's one of the ways you can tell. Are you saying if the sequence is correct, it will still be graded - but if it's wrong and AT, they won't? Sorry, I'm new here, I didnt' completely understand your comment. Thanks.
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01/13/2015 7:25 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Very obvious that this is AT. The toning is just too splotchy, vivid and change very quickly, something not seen on NT coins. I this will grade AT.
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No. IMO, it is original toning..most likely album induced.
I was commenting on where the Third Party Graders are at this point.
As previously stated.. Market acceptable.
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My first impression is NT. I like the coin.
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United States
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My first look at it told me it was AT.
MS details
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United States
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I honestly thought it was artificial as well. Though, having said that, it's been sitting in a bank vault since the late 70s, and I'm pretty sure it didn't look so vivid when I bought it, or I'd think I'd have remembered it being like that (meaning, I don't think anyone intentionally made the coin look like this, though they could have cleaned it, or done god's know what, that ended up doing this after 4 decades). And the more I look at it under bright light, it really does look more like the first picture I posted above, with the richer reds, burnt reds, and blues. Anyway, I really do like the coin, the coloring is quite pretty in person (to me). How do you decide which coins to slab? Everyone agreed that my 1909-s vdb should be slabbed. But what about this one? (I have a few large cents I posted earlier as well.) Is it really only worth doing when the coin is worth a few hundred bucks? I've been googling, and I realize it also comes down to 'why' to slab it. I did see someone mention, somewhere, that they wanted it to be clear when their family inherited the coins that the slabbed coin was a particularly good one. Which isn't a bad idea. Edited by jakesis
01/14/2015 4:59 pm
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Looks original to me, but is not "pretty".
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NT but ugly. It might have been in a PVC based coin flip. I have seen this reaction before.
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Every time I move the camera and get a different angle, the colors change. And it's going to. The color perceived from the toning depends on the angle of incidence of the light source and the ange of reflection to the obsrving entity. |
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Good point, TypeCoin, I assume this is a bit of a (or a lot of a) rainbow effect. I tend to be pretty good at photography, so it's frustrating to find a subject that looks entirely different at different angles and under different light. Hey, while we're on the subject of this coin, I was googling toning on Morgans and read about pullaway, and how while not 100% proof that the toning is natural, when there's pullaway there's a very good chance it is natural. Look at the stars and the date on these photos -- that's pullaway isn't it?   And I realize most of you don't like the toning on this one, but in person it really is pretty. I love it :) Edited by jakesis
01/14/2015 9:34 pm
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LOL I know. But I do appreciate the feedback. I'm just frustrated with the photography end of all of this, and I do love toning, so wanted to try to get some opinions on a few of my toned coins, and with the pics I'm taking, they're just not good enough.
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