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Hi everyone, please help me grade my 1880-o Morgan dollar. It's beautiful and I am just wondering if it's worth grading. Thanks very much   *** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. ****** Edited by Staff to remove YELLING. All capital letters is the internet version of yelling. Please don't do it in titles or posts. *** |
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United States
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Hi!  to the Forum!! You have a very pretty Morgan. It has great detail! I see just a little bit of "chatter" on the obverse, so I would grade this coin MS-63. (The reverse looks pristine!) Just a friendly note: We don't usually like all capital letters since in texting, it's considered shouting. There's no need to shout when you have such a nice coin!  |
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omg I'm so sorry LOL, no no I didn't mean to be shouting haha...and thank you
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 United States
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Great strike and great luster! Moe is right about the chatter though. MS 63+
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AU55-58 depending on the graders mood. More likely 55. Not mint state.
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United States
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I see no wear or luster breaks that ought to knock out of the MS range. I'll call it at 63 also, but I've seen no better come back as 64. This issue is scarce in better uncirculated grades, so, yes, it'd be worth a shot having it certified.
Colligo ergo sum
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I see no wear or luster breaks that ought to knock out of the MS range. Are you serious? Look at the cheek. That's got luster/frost breaks and rub all over it. If it did not, the cheek should be as white as the recessed, protected area behind the eye and in front of the hair, below the curl (the one above the eye) that drops down onto her forehead. Edited by MorganGrader
01/15/2015 2:43 pm
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Valued Member
Canada
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Hmm, there is a huge value difference between ms63 and 64
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Hmm, there is a huge value difference between ms63 and 64 If you submit this for grading to any reputable TPG, it will not receive a mint-state grade. Save your money. It is a nice album coin, nothing more. |
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Canada
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Morgan grader, I see what you're saying but I have many with much worse luster graded Ms63. I cannot see this coming back as AU55
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Valued Member
Canada
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Would you consider ICCS as a reputable grading company for Morgans?
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Valued Member
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It's no better than AU58. ICCS? No, I have no idea who ICCS is. I'd rely on PCGS, NGC, IGC or ANACS and nobody else. Preferably PCGS. I've seen some dogs in NGC holders.
EDIT: Oh, ICCS is the Canadian grading company. No, I wouldn't send them Morgans.
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01/15/2015 2:59 pm
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United States
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I have to disagree with MorganGrader, despite his or her name. I believe it would get MS 62 if sent to PCGS or NGC. I am only grading from these pictures. If I saw this in hand, then that might be a different story. I think the breaks in luster are just a lot of bag marks and maybe some rubbing with other coins in the bag. For this to be AU, I would have to see visible wear on the breast feathers and Lady Liberty's hair. I am partly going off the PCGS photograde.
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The metal doesn't actually have to be flattened to constitute wear. PCGS, in particular, is very hard on coins with hairlines, and this one has hairlines that would bump it down to AU.
The thing you want to look for is hairlines and frost/luster breaks that are present on the fields and high points, but not present in the protected areas. See how Liberty's head is ringed, for lack of a better term, by a clean area, then the fields have hairlines and frost/luster breaks? That is a lock to not be MS (at PCGS) as a result. You can see a similar effect in front of the hairline on her forehead, or on the back of her neck in front of the hair. The same effect, although not as pronounced, is present on the reverse around the eagle and wreath.
If the coin is considered MS, it will be MS details, cleaned. However, I feel it's likely a problem-free AU55+ or AU58.
Long story short, it is not just wear and luster breaks on the high points that constitute a circulated coin. A lot of people think you should just focus on the high points. It's really about exposed areas and protected areas on the coin. This is what a lot of inexperienced collectors fail to realize... it's not just the height of the device, it's the relief of the device over the surrounding areas that needs to be considered when looking for wear.
I may be new to coin forums, but I will stake what little reputation I may have on this coin not being MS at PCGS or NGC. If the original poster submits it to one of the big two and it comes back as MS, I will never post here again.
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 United States
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What do you base MS details/cleaned on? I see no wear on this coin nor a cleaning. You feel it's a problem free 55 or 58?
It's either a problem coin or it's not. Period.
If this was my coin, I'd send it to PCGS.
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Ms details, cleaned would be based on the cheek not having the natural luster you'd expect in a MS coin. I'd call it thumbed and thus, cleaned if it is MS, but as I stated, I feel it is a problem-free AU.
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