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monstermorganman New Member United States 47 Posts	Posted 01/15/2015 11:59 pm I have a coin and a question. Any one out there own a zerbe proof? Heres mine cherrypicked for $45. I locked in on this one among about 50 coins in a case. Theres a specific dot and die scratch to look for so ive heard. Well what do you guys think? Who can say other? Report this Post to the Staff

mdpmedia Pillar of the Community United States 3546 Posts	Posted 01/16/2015 03:33 am to CCF monstermorganman. Based upon the HA verbiage on this coin contained in: http://www.ngccoin.com/coin-explore...coinid-17341 I seem to be having difficulty visualizing the referred-to die scratch etc. from the close-ups. Assuming I am looking at the incorrect ID positions please try to upload some shots ideally having some additional clarity along with an arrow pointing to the suspected PUP area(s). mdpmedia Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 01/16/2015 05:53 am If you type zerbe proof in upper left search box there is a bit of info. John1 Report this Post to the Staff
SsuperDdave Moderator United States 23522 Posts	Posted 01/16/2015 08:29 am I had a VAM-47 that made 63PL. I'm out; when I get home I'll post it and we'll compare notes. Off the top of my head I think I see what I want to see at the corner of the U. Report this Post to the Staff
monstermorganman New Member United States 47 Posts	Posted 01/16/2015 09:53 am For those of.you NOT in the know heres a pic.of the diagnostics to look for when searching for a zerbe. A well known vammer actually drew this for me. I believe this is the vam1 he is referring to but not 100%. Mine has these markers plus the die scratch from u to rim.(v47) I know its kinda hard to see.. I'mworkin w a phone and a $11 dollar microscope attachment. Report this Post to the Staff
monstermorganman New Member United States 47 Posts	Posted 01/16/2015 09:54 am And yes dave I would most certainly like to compare pups.Ill check back in a bit Report this Post to the Staff
dave700x Rest in Peace United States 10625 Posts	Posted 01/16/2015 11:48 am I think I'm seeing the die scratch where it touches the serif. Nice pick and beautiful example! Report this Post to the Staff
SsuperDdave Moderator United States 23522 Posts	Posted 01/16/2015 12:16 pm OK. I have to ask your forgiveness regarding some of these images; this was in 2006 when I was just learning digital photography. I bought the coin in a lot of three for $50, it came back NGC MS63PL (including the crud around the S, which is what it was) and it bid to $550 on my personal attribution on ebay. The radial polishing on it, and the other PL's I've seen, is kinda ridiculous. From just about any lighting angle it dominates the view. You can see it clearly on the reverse; both faces were like that all the way around. Nothing of what you see below is postmint. It was a silly coin. Report this Post to the Staff
monstermorganman New Member United States 47 Posts	Posted 01/16/2015 12:20 pm I am eventually gonna crack it out and send it off. I'massuming you would have to pay extra for variety?Its in an ms63 holder. Its real close to PL. I can see why these are referred to as presentation pieces by the top authorities now. Its extra sharp in places such as IGWT with no wire rims and mirrors that arent very deep. But she was a real standout in that dealers case and also compared to ANY 21 morgan ive ever seen Report this Post to the Staff
SsuperDdave Moderator United States 23522 Posts	Posted 01/16/2015 1:11 pm I think only ANACS attributes this one. Report this Post to the Staff
monstermorganman New Member United States 47 Posts	Posted 01/16/2015 1:21 pm Im not seeing any of.those lines on my coin dave. Heres my sad attempt to capture the die scratch U (yours appears more pronounced). And by your description the other difference is: the die polish on my coin is not at all distracting. My last pic I was (trying) capturing what I would call shelf like MD on all lettering. Its the exact same kind of doubling ive seen on many of the early proofs. Could this be a telltale sign of 2 blows from the die? Even the denticles have this sort of doubling and appear to be in higher relief than your average. Report this Post to the Staff
dave700x Rest in Peace United States 10625 Posts	Posted 01/16/2015 1:28 pm You could have it attributed by VSS and keep it in it's original slab. Report this Post to the Staff
Morgans Dad Pillar of the Community United States 5631 Posts	Posted 01/16/2015 10:58 pm monstermorganman, Welcome to the Family. Nice Avatar, Your name is interesting too......Enjoy the knowledge that resides here.... Report this Post to the Staff
monstermorganman New Member United States 47 Posts	Posted 01/16/2015 11:57 pm Thanks guy. I appreciate the warm welcome. I wouldnt have learned so much about the hobby if it wasnt for informational websites such as this one.and its a great place to get a 2nd opinion on a coin you are iffy about or need some guidance Report this Post to the Staff
messydesk Valued Member United States 149 Posts	Posted 01/17/2015 9:40 pm The die pair that is the one that consistently shows up in PCGS holders as "Zerbe special strike" is VAM 1AG. The coins are basically early business strikes that were treated with extra TLC. Later strikes from the same dies have the same markers on it, but may not look like they're almost proofs. The ANA has one of these in their collection that I spotted last summer before the Summer Seminar. It was in a flip or paper envelope marked DMPL. I assume it'll be in a slab by now. All major grading services will use some "Zerbe" appellation with this coin. ANACS and I will put the correct VAM number on it as well. Regarding the OP's coin, die polishing lines can fade pretty quickly with die wear, so trying to match them up might not prove fruitful. The best bet is to compare the "scribble scratches" with those shown on VAMWorld for VAM 1AG. Report this Post to the Staff
SsuperDdave Moderator United States 23522 Posts	Posted 01/18/2015 10:06 am I've wondered why some conclusion hasn't been drawn regarding the 1AG/47 thing; is it because there isn't consensus on what defines a "Zerbe Proof?" Report this Post to the Staff
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