These 1887 CC And 1888 CC Dollars Can't Be Real Can They?

How about the fact that Carson City made NO silver dollars between 1885 and 1889, that is the biggest fake marker.

Based upon the dubious legal theory that if the particular configuration was never actually produced by the government, then it's really not a counterfeit of anything. I've read that some fake British £1 coins are deliberately made with the incorrect reverse or edge legend in hopes of using this same dodge.

I would have a hard time believing that they were contemporary counterfeits as the time and effort and raw materials would seem to exceed a dollar. Secondly, if you were going to counterfeit these in 1887, why would you draw attention to your illegal deeds by counterfeiting coins that, quite obviously to everyone, did not exist.

Why go that extra effort of engraving the counterfeit dies with an extra cc when it would far more inconspicuous to just leave them as 1887 Morgans. One would assume the same reasoning with modern counterfeits.

My guess would be fantasy pieces for album filling for those who collect Carson City Morgans. For those who have a complete collection 1878-1893 and just can't stand those empty 1886,1887 and 1888 holes. Or if you could give us a close up of the cc, it is quite possible that they were applied with solder, like many S's have been applied to 1993 Morgans, 1909 VDBs and 1932 Wash. quarters.

I'm gonna say that these two coins are modern Chinese counterfeits. They have the same artificial wear and color. (If they were contemporary counterfeits wouldn't you think they would exhibit different wear and color after being in circulation for so many years?)

They might be made of silver, but I really doubt it. The Chinese "factories" will make whatever you want out of whatever metal you want.

Daniel Carr is a US minter that uses the same argument in his "fantasy pieces" that has a following in some collector circles. He typically makes coins with incorrect date/design matches that were never used by the Mint.

OK everyone.... While the exact time and "real date" can't be proven, we need to look at China and its history too come up with the most likely time frame.

The strike and look of both coins look like the same type and quality seen starting in the late 1950's though 1960's. While how they looks is not a slam dunk. This time frame in history, I will point out that China was an "International Social Praia". They where Counterfeiting US, British, and just about everyone else's (Gold and Silver) coins.

This was not so much to defraud the collector but to export the metal. Many countries had embargos against China so there need for real and spendable currencies where essential.

Please do not get me wrong, when selling them (The fakes) if they could get more money for them they would and did. The reason for most of the gold and silver fake at this time frame was to "export refined metals" that where not being bought out of China in the time frame. Much like embargos on Ivory, Gold from S Africa and the list go's on.

In a world market every country needs currency of the other nations to buy goods. Gold and Silver as well as other precious metals and stones are history's long standing "World Currency"

The US, Britain, France, and everyone else could not "Refuse there countries currency" in trade. This type of coinage was used to export raw metals mostly. US currency is based on the "Full Faith of the US. Had the US refused the transfer of US Gold the "Faith" is gone in the world. There is a book of known gold counterfeits, the title eludes me right now. Part of the little tid bit of history comes from that book plus a few others.

As far as calling this a contemporary counterfeit "No Way" This term is used for coins produced to be passed as "real" for normal consumer goods in its host country. This type coin falls into the 1887 Washington Dollars that where seen being passed off a few years back, same garbage.....Different date..!