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Ever Give Any Thought As To Why Dies Break Where They Do....

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Doing research on the Peace dollar series and thoughts about why Exactly are the Tail on O, The Moustache, Whisker Jaw, Whisker Cheek, Scar Cheek, Hair Pin,Tiara Lines,Ear Ring, Numerous Extra Hair Varieties,Bar Wing, Broken Wing,Etc. Why have these dies failed in these areas, Clashes? I do believe this is and has played a role in most of these "Breaks ".I know they are there from a flaw in the metal in the planchets, just what has or is a contributing culprit in these Beautifully creative and interesting Looking Die Breaks.... Thoughts? I love a good die break!!
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I think that one of the contributing factors is the homogeneity of the die metal and the heat treatment process. If it were design alone, all dies would crack in the same places. Just thinking publicly.
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Chute, I appreciate your input. I am NOT saying this alone is the sole contributing factor, I am saying I believe this played a strong part, after, Possibly a few other factors, Poorly mixed metals, the annealing process was also flawed as you stated. I am seeking more possible culprits....... I really feel when these and more " flaws ",
were present the stage was set for clashing to play another role in progressing, or bringing out those flaws, which lead to some beautiful unexpected designs with the die breaks and their progressions. Surely these breaks were not just random acts of design flaws, I believe there is a recipe, an order of things that took place for this to be............
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I have one of these as well. I have to admit it is made quite well. Looks like to me
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Due to variances in design and manufacture, the Peace dollars tended to crack in circumferential patterns, while the Morgan dollars tend to crack in radial patterns. Circumferential means going around the outside edge of a round or curved area. This is due to the design of the coin and where the die wants to break due to the stresses of striking, and the path these cracks take is a common one.

Morgan and Peace dollar classifications were first popularized by Leroy C. Van Allen and A. George Mallis in their book, The Comprehensive Catalog and Encyclopedia of Morgan and Peace dollars, and the varieties are shorthanded as "VAMs" (a combination of the initials of Van Allen and Mallis' last names). These are very popular with collectors.

A coin die imprints a design on a blank coin. Dies are made to strike tens of thousands of coins before becoming too worn to use any further. Sometimes, coin dies begin showing signs of heavy use before US Mint officials can remove the die and replace it with a new one. During that time this was all done manually.

When dies become overly worn and brittle, they usually exhibit wear through minor lines, cracks, and other oddities that form on the die. Once these die breaks develop, they're transferred onto the coins, often creating raised (sometimes jagged) lines known as die cracks. As the die breaks grow, so can the size, length, and magnitude of the error.

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I agree with all that has been stated and think you are correct about the clashing being a large part of this. I remember Coop mentioning this and it makes a lot of sense. When the mint worker would abrade and polish the clashed areas on the dies, it would obviously "thin" the die, making it weaker in those locations and allowing cracks the much easier ability to happen.
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