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I'm sure this has been asked before and I know I have seen the answer somewhere but I can't seem to find where it is that I had seen the answer to this.

How can you determine the difference between a 1982 copper cent and a 1982 zinc cent with out using a scale?

Thanks
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 Posted 09/23/2007  2:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
weight is the best and most accurate ,, but the coins sound completely different when dropped on a hard surface . the zinc cent has no tone just a thud the copper has a ring to it .

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 Posted 09/23/2007  2:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add imanangel0686 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok. Thanks thats at least something to start with till I get a scale. Thanks again
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I too find that the drop method works really well. This, of course, has some obvious limitations for those trying to keep their cents in as good a condition as possible.
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you can build a simple balance scale from a round pencil and a popcicle stick.

find the center of the stick and glue it to the pencil,, on one end with a small dap of glue fix a pre 82 Lincoln Cent place an 82 on the other end the copper cents will balance the zinc cents will not .

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I had the same question a while back. I didn't have a good scale to use and didn't have a popcicle stick at the time. I really liked the drop method. Was easy to use.
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 Posted 09/23/2007  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fatcat161 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a postal scale (for other reasons). It isn't accurate enough to weight pennies so get a better scale if you do get one.

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 Posted 09/24/2007  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

you can build a simple balance scale from a round pencil and a popcicle stick.
find the center of the stick and glue it to the pencil,, on one end with a small dap of glue fix a pre 82 Lincoln Cent place an 82 on the other end the copper cents will balance the zinc cents will not .
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Dropping any coin on a hard surface just is not smart. Why add dinks and dents if not necessary to any object. Even the smallest such damage lowers the value of a coin. Of course if a person doesn't care, then why not damage it for others.
As Metalman noted a method could be use very cheaply and efectively with out the damaging of a coin.
Of course I think a normal 6 sided pencil is easier to use. Easier to balance the stick. Note Ice Cream Bar sticks also work but you must eat the Ice Cream first.
This could be done in reverse if you placed a post 82 cent on one end. Then any Copper coin would drop the other end fast.

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quote:
Note Ice Cream Bar sticks also work but you must eat the Ice Cream first.

Oh the sacrifices we have to make for our collections.
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 Posted 09/24/2007  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeeple to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can anyone recommend a good small electronic scale which would be suited to this purpose (but not overkill)?
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There's really no reason to go with the scale method. They are expensive and unnecessary.

The whole thing about people not wanting to drop a coin because they don't want to damage it is a complete farce. Just what do you think happens to those coins before you get your hands on them? They go through counting machines, bins, hoppers, presses, and you think letting one ding against a table is going to hurt it?

Best method I have ever found...

Use a glass jar or container near the edge of something over carpet. Drop the coin so that it grazes the glass - just kind of slides over it. It will make its sound perfectly known as it falls to the carpet. If it's copper, you will hear it ring all the way to the ground. If it's zinc, it won't make any noise as it falls to the ground. I discovered this method when I was 14 (in 1982) and have used it ever since, and can sort dozens of rolls in an hour.

As a disclaimer, don't let your coins fall six feet to a concrete floor. Put pillows or something around your test drop area so the coins don't get away from you. Just be wise about it and all will go fine.

Problem with using a scale is that it's very slow, expensive, and unnecessary. I can often sort coins at one per second once I get used to doing it. You simply can't go that fast with a scale, no matter what it is.

Edited to add the following::

Back in 1982 when I was 14, I could barely afford the money to save rolls, but I did. I saved every new cent that came in, and when I had a cereal bowl full of them I set up my drop-test and sorted them into envelopes. Once I had enough in an envelope for a roll, I'd paper wrap them.

My drop-test tool was one of those large glass water bottles people often saved change in. I set it in the middle of my carpeted bedroom, sat on the floor, and dropped the coins one by one against the edge of the glass jar. I often caught them before they hit the ground, but even if they did, it was carpet and wouldn't hurt them. I got tired of having to get up and chase the strays around, so I rolled up towels and made a pin out of them so the strays wouldn't go far.

Now...I knew nothing about zinc, copper, resinant tones, science - heck I didn't even know anything at all about coins. We didn't have the internet, I didn't have money for books, so I did whatever came to mind. I had a used 1969 edition of the Red Book, a few blue penny folders, a few cigar boxes to keep stuff in, and envelopes I took from my mother's secretary desk. That's it...I figured it out way back then with nothing to go on. It should still work without a problem. Amazes me that more people haven't figured it out.
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Sorry Chuck but I do disagree with you about dropping any coin for any reason. And if it's speed you require, you have way to many 82 cents to worry about 1/second. I really don't mind spening a few seconds on a few coins. My pencil and stick method can be used to weigh other things and any drop thing, as you discribed, is to limited. Even a decent, cheap scale can be used for many other purposes. For example what good is a drop test for a letter you want to check for postage by weight? I've used the balance thing for many other purposes and same with a scale. Most people do not require to weigh thousands of cents so one at a time can be relaxing.
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 Posted 09/25/2007  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeeple to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have to say: a scale seems more exact and scientific. If I weight a penny it an it comes to 2.2 grams then I know for certain what it is. Any other method of detection and you have to say "I think it is copper based on the sound when it dropped" if you know what I mean. I have a scale but it is only accurate to the gram, not the tenth of a gram. I think what I will do is collect them until my sounds tests make me think I have ten of one or the other. Then I can weight all ten and see what it comes to (should be 22 grams or 31 grams).
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I have to say: a scale seems more exact and scientific. If I weight a penny it an it comes to 2.2 grams then I know for certain what it is. Any other method of detection and you have to say "I think it is copper based on the sound when it dropped" if you know what I mean. I have a scale but it is only accurate to the gram, not the tenth of a gram. I think what I will do is collect them until my sounds tests make me think I have ten of one or the other. Then I can weight all ten and see what it comes to (should be 22 grams or 31 grams).


I agree with you for sure. Fortunately living in a large city invironment, there are numerous scientific supply houses where cheap or decently priced scales can be purchased. I've got two that are fairly accurate and costs less than $20 for one and $15 for the other. I've had people tell me they purchased some on ebay for even less than that. With the mass amount of stuff coming in from China, that's where most are being made. Kind of fun weighing something and getting different readings sometimes on the two scales. Usually my fault for not keeping flat though. Both are SUPPOSED to be good for 0.00 grams accuracy. Yeah, right.
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 Posted 09/25/2007  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeeple to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think I'll build my store of '82's before I invest in anything, and I like my idea of weighing ten at a time on my current scale anyway, I think that is a pretty good method. Thanks for the input though!
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 Posted 09/25/2007  4:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeeple to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
what I wanna really know is how to tell _definitively_ the large date 82's from the small date 82's.
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