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What Is Wrong With My 1940 S Penny?

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 Posted 02/18/2015  02:37 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add AngieEllen to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was sorting my Wheat pennies and came across this 1940S Penny thar looks like it has a different texture. Is this a Error?

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 Posted 02/18/2015  02:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fuzzy317 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
maybe it had been cleaned with an acid batch
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 Posted 02/18/2015  03:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Acid bath" was my first impression.

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 Posted 02/18/2015  04:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AngieEllen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your response! it weights 3.2g
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 Posted 02/18/2015  05:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Normic67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Most coins iv seen that have had an acid bath are way thinner then that coin, so in this case the penny has probably had an acid bath but a light one some how. It looks really strange like sand could of caused it or something.
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 Posted 02/18/2015  06:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AngieEllen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I put the penny side by side with another 1940S penny so you can compare the thickness. the coin in question is on the bottom.

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that last picture combined with the others, has me thinking its a cast copy
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 Posted 02/18/2015  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The surface reminds me of an acid bath treatment. Not left in there so long to thin the coin so much like what was know to happen during those days. They would take a cent to chemistry class and dip it into acid so that the overall size would be reduced to a dime in size. Then they would use it in a soda machine as a dime. At that time you could get a soda for 7-10 cents out of a vending machine. (7 oz bottles were 7 cents and 10-12 oz bottles were 10 cents) If they put the cent in the 7 cent machine they would get 3 cents change and the process could start all over again.
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I can't think how or why they would make a cast cent with this date/mint mark. But they do make them:
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 Posted 02/18/2015  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The "1906" Ellis Island counterfeits are actually struck, coop, not cast. However the transfer process was messy. I've been tracking their die pairings.
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Not to abduct the thread for too long, but here are two varieties of the "1906" Ellis Island counterfeit. There are a few others.

The one that's closest to what you have in your image, coop, is what will eventually be either CF-S$1-1906/86P-0001b or just CF-S$1-1906P-0001b (when I get it up on the site). The dies on most of the B types were rotated about 45° and only the very upper crests of the devices were transferred properly.

Although the closer I look at your example, it might be a new set or pairing. I'll have to give it time.

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(The type B on the right is in the queue to be documented and then meet Justice, which is why it's missing its COPY stamp.)

As for the AngieEllen's coin, I'm scratching my chin. Acid I'd think would be far more likely, but paired with that rim I'm not sure.

In any case it is certainly fascinating. :-)
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 Posted 02/18/2015  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AngieEllen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Whoo Hoo I have a fascinating coin So I've been researching all possibilities.. Could it be Struck Through Grease?
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 Posted 02/18/2015  12:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No, it was dipped in acid and thinned just a bit.
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I understand what you are saying.... But it actually looks to be the same if not thicker then the other penny of the same year and mint.
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Thickness of the planchets are not measured by the rim. A stronger upset rim will be taller than others. Look at proof cents. They are taller than buiness strike cents because of the rim. The weight is the same.
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