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Anyone Know Their California Fractional Gold?

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Im looking to purchase a nice example of a fractional gold piece. Ive posted numerous examples on the forum and not many folks responded. Just wondering if anyone is, or knows someone who is, knowledgable on this topic.

If youd like to see some of the coins Ive been posting as examples, head on over to the Classic Coins Grading forum. You wont have to look far.

Thanks!
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Don't know anything about it -- I just drool over the pics of it. But I want to follow this thread and learn. It's pretty fascinating stuff.

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Hopefully some one can fill us in. I'm eager as well
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Pytellc, you may want to contact Mike Locke.

He really knows his Pioneer gold/Fractionals.
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I'll look him up, thanks very much.
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Be careful, I purchased 2 fakes one time that looked really, really good.
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Do you have the price guide by Walter Breen and Ron Gillio on California gold? Most are identified by B&G number. I understand the "golden age" a subset of the wider golden age in California ran for about five years from 1849 to 1854. Things began to gentrify after that. California fractional gold in $1.00, 50 cents and 25 cent denominations were unofficial coins of necessity to help standardize a "pinch of gold dust." Folks would secretly gum or wet their fingers before pinching to get a few extra cents worth on each transaction. Jewelers and refiners began to issue fractional gold, always with a date and denomination in "dollars." Silver coins were considered mean and beneath most folks and wouldn't buy much. Copper coins wouldn't buy anything at all. Now the same U.S. Treasury enforcers that put a stop to unofficial Civil War Tokens in the East, circa 1864, moved west by 1871 to put a stop to gold token issuers. Visitors from back east wanted to take gold samples home to show off, so that issuers didn't exactly stop but only dropped the word "dollars" to comply with the law around 1873 or so. If gold tokens are are missing both date and the word dollars, they are for the tourist trade and not real interesting. By 1871 B&G types numbers run about one thousand different true California gold token types. Better images include likenesses of genuine gold coins from back east such as the gold dollar, not minted in San Francisco, and California State seal iconography since 1850 when it became a state. The San Francisco U.S. Branch Mint opened in 1854 to begin to keep up with the booming commerce out west but focused on large denomination coins. I have an legitimate 1854-S Eagle (first year of issue) and a B&G California gold half dollar from 1871, type number in the 900s, to bracket the era. Will look at your posts in the other category with coin images. This is a neat and underappreciated collecting field for us back east.
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Well I looked at them and would advise caution. Gold is a soft metal and strikes up well. These all seem to have a similar style, the letter "G" yet with different dates which doesn't seem right. They are shallow strikes missing much detail one would expect. I would wait and only buy one that has a B&G attribution, something you will know how it relates to others by rarity. The 1875 is different, but somewhat late, more of a tourist piece. Take care!
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Thank you! I contacted Mr.Locke and am awaiting a response. Unfortunately, I've come to find most of the coins I've posted are modern replicas. I've sent him some others that may not be.
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Yeah, he's the real expert.

I have a pretty rare BG-415 that I bought raw and it turned out..it was genuine per NGC.
I have a raw BG-1303 that's going to ANACS soon.

You have to be cautious with these and buy from reputable Fractional dealers.
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