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1888 O Acquisition W/Grading Clues

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well I am sure a few people saw this on the Bay. I spent a good 2 hours looking over this thing.

1st I think the toning is Original. The reason is the envelope, it has in pencil written $ 3.50 on it that dates the package to around 1961 or so.

2nd The fields look solid with little to no chatter.

3rd The strike shows nice breast feathers and very good detail of the talons and legs of the Eagle. (This is not common on 1888 O Morgan dollars)

4th The light areas on the OB or Obverse you see on textile toned coins as well as paper. This area is normally in direct contact with the covering and is not ware.

5th Most lighting used to take a photo one see's on E Bay will kill off luster, this is even more prevalent when shooting toned coins. Always be aware of how a coin is shot. There are many sellers that claim PL or proof like coins as well as DMPL's raw. Almost all are not PL or DMPL "Deep Mirror Proof Like". They are shot at angles that commonly hide the normal cartwheels of a Semi PL coin.

To have a coin PL or DMPL the coins fields must have "No Cartwheeling" Many also play with color contrast. I good rule of thumb is, if the background is off color or a white background is dark the coin is not what it seems.

6th This seller has a 14 day return policy, should my assessment not be correct and it fails to meet my grade expectation I can send it back. Keep in mind that while sending a coin back is an option, one should only use it if something is not right like a rub or a wipe.

Based on the return policy and the sellers feedback I put my bid at a solid 65 base (won it for far less) on the above information. If when I get the coin in hand and it has "dead luster" or wipes I will send it back. Many sellers do not really analyze there coins so if he missed something understand that it happens. Many sellers will post 100 sales at a time, so as a buyer you must keep this in mind when leaving feedback. If the seller has a bunch of sales like the one you bought or won with Doctored photos then the seller is just scamming coin collectors IMHO. Dead luster is killer of many nice clean coins. Most MS-65 coins and above have to show that they are a fresh coin with good luster.

The balancing act on this buy is knowing what the grading company will look at as well as knowing this year and mint marks history. 1882 O/S are almost always poorly struck as is the 1888 O. Unlike the 1880 S Minted coins that all seem to have been struck by a Semi. Most 1880 O, 1882 O and 1888 O coins suffer from lack of solid hair above the ear and a smooth eagles breast, where as if you had one struck like the normal MS-64 in the 1880 S that look on an 1888 O would grade at MS-66 or so. So a well struck coin in this year will carry a grade point up... 9 out of 10 times if the rest of the coin is right.

Well I hope my grade assessment is correct when I get this one in hand, I have the coin as a solid MS-65. If you feel I missed something feel free to chime in as grading is done with 3 grader's.

In the ladder 2 photos I see the photos as over exposed, the seller added light to get the color to pop, and the aperture setting was not set properly.


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There is a current discussion elsewhere in which how magnificently the 1880-S was struck is pretty obvious, as well as how many survived in high grades being commented upon.

As to your new acquisition, certainly the strike is not to that San Francisco standard. What concerns me most is that the toning, particularly on the obverse, looks to have been scuffed away in spots. I think that could open the door to the graders viewing it as AU. Even if it does come back as MS, the jump in value from MS64 to 65 for this issue is quite substantial, and they may subsequently be reluctant to go that one step up unless every aspect for the higher grade is absolutely indisputable. That said, I can see why you would take a flyer on this specimen. In hand, that toning may turn out to be tremendously attractive, making it a keeper no matter what.
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As to your new acquisition, certainly the strike is not to that San Francisco standard


Fortunately, it's a New Orleans coin so we don't have to worry about that.

The character of the toning itself makes me want to assume it's Mint State. Circulated Morgans, with the fields wiped smooth by circulation, rarely tone that nicely. But with the nicely-rounded talons and complete bottom wreath leaves, this is one well-struck New Orleans Morgan which will definitely tell the story in-hand. Any circulation will be obvious.
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Lucky, If you follow the white-ish pattern on the coin it looks to follow the envelopes fold lines. One side is folded making a center line, and if the flip was put inside of the envelope the pattern make a kind of "T" shape. The Blochy line cuts the coin in half and the lower date seems to meet the top on a fold in. But time will tell, there is no right or wrong in this tread.

Looking over raw coins I have done well far more times then not. Part of the point was to let people know that they really should analyze any coin well. As well as remembering that if something looks really wrong and cheap, chances are your not getting what you think.
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Well it got here in just 2 days "Great Seller" Here are my photos of the coin. It looks like a solid MS-65 in hand as well as original color, and its off with 20 odd other's to PCGS today.

PS the paper envelope's back has 7/5/62 written in pencil



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Aw, man, I bet that thing would sing under the right lighting.
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Well I just got my grade back on my second try. MS-65 so today was a very good day. I also received the grade back on one of my 1888 O VAM-1a2 E Clash MS-65. So my set just got a second upgrade, V-1a1 MS-65+ and V-1a2 in MS-65.
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You da man
I'm jelous, she's a real beauty!.. Did you keep the envelope?
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 Posted 05/15/2015  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I sent the envelope in the shipment, I do not know if I will get it back.
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Good idea, I wonder if it helped but either way you got what you wanted
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SwEEt coin Russ and congrats on the upgrades!
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