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So I was surfing for Canadian large cent varieties and came by this listing. I said wow that a great deal for that variety. Problem is that its not the variety it says. From my limited experience the N in this 1891 is not repaired as its not the correct obverse. Any experts want to help me out here? http://www.ebay.ca/itm/301534080059...RK:MEBIDX:IT |
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Do NOT believe any ebay auction that proclaims a repaired or full-footed N, especially this auction. It is only the 1891 Obv 2's where this comes into play, since the matrix that made the working dies had the left foot broken off and this auction is an Obv 3. So EVERY Obv 2 working die had no (or broken) left footed N. A few of these working dies then were hand-punched to make the N in Regina full again and these are the only ones that are scarce, meaning Obv 2's that had a manually corrected handpunch N only. Again, this auction is for an Obv 3 and ALL, each and every one of the Obv 3's, have a normal full-footed N because every working die for the Obv 3's had it put in there when it was made. The same goes for the Obv 4's which are full-footed. Obv 2's and 3's are first ID'd by the dimpled/doubled chin/throat on Vicky but the Obv 3's also had extremely long crossbars on the E's and had almost closed C's. The Obv 2's had a normal small E crossbar and the C's are normal with a good gap. The Obv 4's have a full, rounded chin & throat very similar to the early Obv 1 portraits. Rules of thumb: If the chin/throat is dimpled/creased, then it's a 2 or 3. Then look at the E's in Dei and Regina. Long mid-crossbar makes it a 3 and a rounded chin/throat makes it a 4. I can spot an Obv 3 without even looking at the legend since it looks like Vicky has the mumps and her face is lumpy. I call it (as have others before me) the "mumps" portrait. Edited by okiecoiner
02/25/2015 2:27 pm
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Thanks for the detailed reply. I even emailed the guy to tell him I think he has the wrong pairing and he never repsonded or took down the listing.
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I got tired of emailing all the vendors that do the same thing. The 2011 Charlton has caused lots of dealers to try to fudge their normal coins into something that they are not. The same goes for CCCS that still puts "closed C" on anything that is Obverse 3. Those ALL have a closed C.
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I must have sprained my knee when I jumped up on my soap box about the "repaired N's". For 1891, only a single working die that made less than 2% of the total Obv 2 mintage, had the N in Regina hand-punch corrected to make it a full foot. It's a very scarce coin. I started also desribing the Obv 4's which didn't start until 1892 (& not 1891).
Since my brain was concentrating on "repaired or full-footed N's in Regina, I leapfrogged into the 1892 mintage year, where you had Obv 2, 3, & 4 to contend with. For 1892, there were very few Obv 2's struck with relation to the Obv 3's & 4's. Since 1891 Obverses were married to 1892 Reverses to start the year, you again have single-footed and full-footed N's for the Obv 2's with the single-footeds accounting for about 40% of them and full-footeds for about 60%. ALL 1892 Obv 2's are relatively scarce and carry a premium.
Then, as I stated in my first posting, the Obv 3's and 4's finished the mintage year with ID's the way as I described them. Sorry for the brain f**t.
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Got one! Post photos when I get it! woohoo
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Its been a while since this post but I am curious if anyone has examples of this coin in AU or better condition. I have been searching for one and no luck what so ever.
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I have one in AU...extremely rare in that grade...very undervalued coin.
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I tried googling this variety and the only thing that comes up is this forum topic. I have been searching for this variety in high grade for quite a while and nothing out there. I would love to see this coin in red or RB mint state.
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Also surprised not many of the other large cent collectors have added some input on this topic. Its looks like this is an under discussed coin and the only place I have seen info is in the 2011 charlton.
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This topic has been discussed on here quite a bit, as well as lengthy items on the old CCRS and CanadianCopperCoins .. both sites now defunct.
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Too bad those sites are gone. Looks like coin varieties and I have very scarce coins.
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Here is my example...finest I've seen although there may be one or two Mint out there   |
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I had an EF-45 but it was cleaned so I was doing the natural tone by handling it lots it was coming along good. But I lost it somewhere in my yard I put it in my pocket until I done what I was doing (sweat pants) must have fell out somewhere so I'm on the hunt for another one  |
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The one I have is in an ICCS flip VF20 cleaned so very difficult to get a good photo but not nearly as nice as the one posted above. IS that one listed?
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Posted 02/25/2015 2:55 pm
