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Matte Proof 1917 Lincoln Wheat Cent

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 Posted 10/24/2007  8:41 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
What do you think? Is it or not?

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 Posted 10/24/2007  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like it to me. To bad it wasn't red though. I love those matt proof designs.
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 Posted 10/24/2007  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 50cents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No, just an early die state 1917 business strike.
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 Posted 10/24/2007  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I posted this in the other thread also-

I learned this when I thought I had a matte proof-
Matte proof Lincoln cents were made by:
1. new, unhardened dies were sandblasted.
2. the dies were hardened normally.
3. these dies were used in an hydraulic medal press to stamp the coin (one blow from the press).

All dies started out with flat rims and nearly square junctions between field and rimes or lettering, but only the medal press could exert enough pressure to force this fully into the coin planchet.

This process produced the distinctive surface on Lincoln cents 1909-1916 and 1913-1916 Buffalo nickel proofs.

The matte surface did not wear well and dies had to be replaced when the surface smoothed out - probably after a few hundred pieces were struck. (Old, mirror surface proof dies could be repolished and put back in the medal press.)

The Coiner or an assistant examined all proof coins and removed substandard pieces. Pieces that were defective (clips, off-center, multiple strikes) were destroyed; pieces that were substandard but still good coin were tossed into the regular production bins and entered circulation. Mint totals are for the number of pieces accepted by the Coiner (as in the Guide Book), not the quantity sold (except in a few instances where that quantity is known).

Matte proofs can be very deceptive, so follow the advice in Lange's book and have suspect pieces examined by someone with considerable experience.
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 Posted 10/24/2007  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks chrsb. I'm just learning about the matte proofs and just started looking at them. You've inspired me to learn more about them. I'm working on my Lincoln proofs, only missing 20 now. These matte proof series are nearly impossible to obtain unless you're a millionaire. LOL
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 Posted 10/25/2007  2:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Westbozy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thats a pretty kool 1917 cent.
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Thad its really going to be hard to determine if this is a matte proof from pictures ,,but my opinion is that it is an early die state circulation strike .

from the pics the coin appears to have normal rims (they should have a very sharp edge to them on the inside) not unlike our modern proof coins .

Its a very beautiful coin !

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 Posted 10/25/2007  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That coin went for $48.50 shipped on ebay. I almost bought it, but I thought that was just too much....maybe I was wrong?
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 Posted 10/26/2007  1:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would have bought it ,,but then I need that date and mint for my 1917 mint set .

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 Posted 10/26/2007  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think that it is a matte proof.
Reasoning: The rims should be evenly square.
If you look at the obverse, the left rim (facing the coin) is squared off, the right side is not.
On the reverse, there is not enough squaring of the rim.
2) All 1917 proofs were made secretly, and they are very scarce.
3) I do think that the piece was cleaned, and retoned.

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