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of large cents....I believe the word is Sheldon but not sure?

It would be great to have a book with pictures of each variation.
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Absolutely, this is the one that I have. Very useful if you are serious
about collecting copper.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WALTER-BREE...047675.l2557

There are others, Like ' Penny Whimsy'. by Dr. Sheldon.

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How about the great big book of everything
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I highly recommend Penny Whimsy by William H. Sheldon. It is the definitive work on early large cents. Unfortunately the pictures it has are small but the descriptions are very accurate. Alternatively NGC has a very good web site showing pictures of most Sheldon varieties here:
http://www.ngccoin.com/coin-varieties/
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Good luck on your large cent collection! It's been one of the most difficult sets I've ever attempted, with all the different varieties, not to mention the early rarities.
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Good luck on your large cent collection! It's been one of the most difficult sets I've ever attempted, with all the different varieties, not to mention the early rarities.


I'll second that.
I've got Grellman's book that ONLY covers Braided Hair large cents (1840-1857).
How does the number 300+ varieties grab you?
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Use this free online book.

http://www.pcgs.com/books/earlycents/

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I believe Noyes has a large volume of books out that is a bit pricey but very informative. Like Kanga, I too only have Grellman's book that covers only the late date large cents. There is a lot of online information that allows me to attribute the early dates without a reference.
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Thanks this book looks amazing I am going to purchase one for sure.
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How does the number 300+ varieties grab you?


Not bad, from the standpoint of one who's chasing the 5000+ known VAMs, with probably half left to be discovered.

Imagine trying to do that with Lincolns.

Redcentcollector, to give you an idea of how seminal Sheldon was to numismatics, he invented the grading scale you're going to use to grade his varieties.
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I use Sheldon for the early years, then Wright for 1816-1839, and Grellman for the late dates. In my opinion determining the later date varieties is quite difficult because of the progress made with the mint equipment.
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Cool stuff can't wait to pick up a copy of that book.
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Here's Newcomb's book online for free.

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?...ew=1up;seq=5
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Redcentcollector, to give you an idea of how seminal Sheldon was to numismatics, he invented the grading scale you're going to use to grade his varieties.

No he didn't. He developed a pricing guide to go along with the grading standards that were already in place. The pricing guide failed soon afterward. In the 1960's and early 70's the EAC community tried several times to "fix" it before finally dumping it in 1972. In 1978 the ANA stuck the old Sheldon pricing levels onto the grading standards they were writing. The numbers have no meaning, they are just "names" for the grades.

Word of warning about the Breen early date book. There are four photo errors in the book so four of the varieties are not pictured.
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Then somebody else came up with that 70 number. Yes, Conder, I get that you're factually correct (I've never seen you not) but we call it the Sheldon Scale and it wasn't named for Grellman.
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Conder101 you are only partially correct. Sheldon did create a numerative scale that was originally based on value but later based his numerical scale on condition. I refer to "Table 1. A Quantitative Scale For Condition" page 41 of Penny Whimsy 1976 edition.
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