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Pillar of the Community
United States
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So as I've noted in the past I primarily collect US coins because I am from this country. Due to some penny CRH I started to get into Canadian coins as well. I have a decent number of pennies, a few old silver CND nickels and just ordered a bunch of silver dimes, quarters, and dollar coins as well. While I don't think CND has quite the populariy of US coins, I think they are pretty cool. Also with the RCM's recycling program it seems any pre-2001 coins are being melted. Is now the time to buy CND coins before the price goes way up? I don't know how common the silvers were before this recycling initiative but I feel like a lot of the coins are going to be yanked from circulation never to be seen again. What do you think the upside is for CND coins? Do you think enough people have them hoarded that the recycling program will do minimal damage to the mint numbers or will these coins become much more valuable? I have the urge to start collecting CND silver dollars now! *** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. ***
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Canada
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I see very little upside for the Canadian coin market, due mainly to 1) small collector base, 2) compound this with an oversupply of material and 3) with the low precious metal prices, collectors are in no hurry to sink money into coins.
Sorry for the 'doom and gloom' outlook, but that's how I feel.
However, it is a great time to be collecting and buying coins, not for any quick 'upside' profit potential, but rather, because things are slightly depressed, coin prices are very low and as a pure 'collector' it's a wonderful time to be buying and adding to your collection.
Edited by doubleeagle59 03/13/2015 5:13 pm
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Honestly unless I run into "hard times" I plan to keep the coins I have been buying for many years to come (and possibly pass down to my children when I have them). I'm at an age where I have some disposable income so I pick up coins here and there. I am not looking to turn a quick profit by buying and selling. Do you see silver prices dropping a lot more than the ~$15/oz range today? I typically try to focus on coins in better condition so I'm not directly tied to a melt value (since they have numismatic value as well). I didn't realize the market for CND coins was so low. As a collector I like the look of many of them! It gives me something else to search for outside of US coins too, I love finding CND pennies when I go CRH!
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Remember that we have 1/10 the population of the entire USA, roughly the same population as the state of California, so if in the USA there are 10 million avid coin collectors, there would likely be only 1 million in Canada. However the 1/10 rule in Canada does not apply (IMHO) for numismatics, as its way to dry. I have said this a few times before, I live in the Metro Vancouver area (close to 3 million population) we have 1 coin club, and it is based in the most affluent community.
The city I live in has about 1 million people, and we have 0 coin clubs, and 0 coin stores, this may be because of the internet but it still is a reality.
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Canada
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If you enjoy them collect them. Coins are never a real good investment unless it is for the pleasure of collecting. I enjoy collecting U.S 1 cent pieces from 1793 to 1909 in the end these may be my best buys when time comes to sell (I am 99,99% sure they will be better than my Canadian coins). Even say one of our ''King Kong's'' in our hobby here in Canada the 1921 50 cent pieces......even if you are capable of buying one at a cost of 40 000$ to maybe 500 000$ you will be hard pressed to find a buyer at a moments notice for the higher grade ones.....that is if you even find one at all (a buyer that is....could take years). Compared to the U.S ultra key dates (ex: 1794 U.S dollars, 1933 20$ Double Eagle, 1894-S Barber dimes and so on) that you can sell almost right away at any given time. Not that the 1921 50 cent has not gone up in value over time it has done well BUT I think it has pretty much reached it's limit in the current Canadian coin market.
Edited by redcentcollector 03/13/2015 7:44 pm
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Canada
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I don't think the "true collectors" are concerned about the market swings as much as the dealers/sellers are and so they should be, they have to make profits to survive nothing wrong with that- no different than any other business.,, I'mnot sure from my little perch I see any great bargains as a buyer. In Canada we live next door the elephant and compared to them we are a dot on a quarter. IMO I think there will be an upswing soon in CDN thanks to the recent attention from the Landon sale.
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New Member
Thailand
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gdaya folks,
as it appears generally cdn coins wont appreciate much but what about ottawa sovereigns ? will they go up ? for having a broader collectors base.
wbrpeter1
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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We are in the middle of the grand asset turnover from the baby boomers to the next generation. I suspect there will be a new batch of collectors who have inherited their relative's collection and wish to attain the biggest resale return. They may become the next hobby enthusiasts. It will not however replace those that pass on. The trick is to attract new members and that has a number of issues. Youth use less money and handle less coinage. Transactions are digital. The ARP program is taking the interesting coins from the past out of circulation. This will decimate the hobby as far as decimal collecting into the future. NCLT is looking poorly as a result of saturated markets and less buyers, third party sellers are discounting coins en masse. Perhaps more commemoratives in the next few years with the sesquicentennial will make a small difference. A new monarch on coinage is imminent and that may instigate hoarding of QEII coinage. We have to promote the hobby as culturally and historically significant, each coin a snapshot of the era. A coinage use dwindles, first the penny, then the ... we may be the smart ones holding on to little chunks of the past. Hope so. In the meantime teach a kid about coins, it may pay dividends. They are not making any more 1948 dollars but if there is one more dollar than buyers, that one will go unsold.
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Canada
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Just a head's up sa330206, in case you are unaware, the Canadian penny was killed in February 2013. Since then more than 5 billion have disappeared into RCM's fiery pits so they will become very scarce.
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Canada
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The 1/10 argument never seems to consider the vastly larger mintages in the US.
The main issue is disposable income. That is where the cash to chase coins comes from, and our politicians never consider increasing disposable income to be a priority. Some only see everyone over the median as a bottomless pit to be taxed for their pet projects.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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I guess I didn't take into account that the market isn't large. I'm not from Canada but I still enjoy getting the coins.
I recently got into penny coin roll searching here in the states and as of now I still get a fair amount of CND pennies. I keep all of them except ones that are turning green/corroding. I bet I've got 300 or so CND pennies in the 10 boxes or so I've searched. I've even got a small bag (~20) of CND pennies before 1950's that I have got during my coin roll searching (including a few from the 30's!).
Do you really think CND pennies will become that rare?
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Valued Member
Canada
160 Posts |
If your only goal is to make money in the long run better buy stocks or silver and gold bullion.
If you want to have fun and just enjoy a hobby collect coins if they go up in value so be it if they stay the same so be it. If you lose some money again so be it.
There is not a single collectible that is a SURE thing not one. Some may have a better chance for example silver age key comic books (that market is HUGE (probably 100 million people if not more collect comic books worldwide) and appeals to a worldwide collector base.....movies, video games, books so many things).
Buy yourself the highest grade of a top 10 silver age comic book graded by CGC and make sure it is not restored. I say you will have a 95% or higher chance of making money every single year or 2.
Buy yourself a overstreet comic book price guide #44 the latest one read it learn about the silver age key comic books and make a purchase that makes you happy.
For example a Amazing Fantasy #15 1st Spider-Man, a Tales of Suspense #39 1st Iron Man, X-Men #1, Hulk #1, Journey Into Mystery #83 1st Thor, Showcase #4 1st Silver Age Flash, Fantastic Four #1. All these are ALWAYS in strong demand it has been that way for over 35 years.
I know this is a coin forum but are talking about making a investment and coins are not the best at all for that option.
If you need help with comic books ask me and I will help you I have been collecting coins, cards and comic books since the late 1980's. Buy the best you can always graded by CGC and with white pages if possible if not then one lower page grade......nothing lower than that. All these comics have doubled in value every 5 years or 10 years some even sooner than that. Spider-Man is the most collected of all of them.
Edited by redcentcollector 03/14/2015 8:47 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: If your only goal is to make money in the long run better buy stocks or silver and gold bullion. Let me fix that for you. 
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Canada
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allranger
I know but figured maybe the guy is sick of the stock market and wants to control his own financial assets closer.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1373 Posts |
First off, congratulations on getting the Canadian coin bug! Canadian coinage is just as interesting and fun to collect as are our 'local' American coins. I began most of my collecting by focusing on Canadian coins also. I had two reasons: (1) I live less than 10 miles from the border, and (2) due to my job in retail I discovered a large and easy batch of Canadian coins to search through. Most co-workers knew enough about U.S. coins that they were quick to save older coins (both wheat cents and silver coins) that were found in the cash register tills. However, most didn't know a peep about Canadian coins, and I was able to find a great variety of collectable currency without competition. BTW, I should mention that even though Canadian coins were not 'legal tender', our company accepted them quite often. Is there an 'upside' to collecting Canadian coins? All I can say is that it IS a little more difficult to get access to them as opposed to U.S. coinage. Also, for the most part, all varieties of Canadian coins have 'heartbreaking' dates and types, even recent issues, that seem to be much harder to find than century old coins here in the states. On the plus side, Canadian coin values (just like U.S. coins) have not changed much since I got involved in them 6-7 years ago. I do have lots of enjoyment collecting Canadian coins. They were the first to circulate varieties (commemorative) coins, beating the U.S. Mint time and again in that department. Also, the Royal Canadian Mint does NOT seem to be chained up (like hear in the states) when it comes to technical changes in minting there money.
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