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1798 Draped Bust Large Cent Die Rotation Error

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 Posted 11/13/2007  09:01 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add yechi7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm looking at bidding on a 1798 Draped Bust Large Cent Die Rotation Error. I would say this grade is AG-G & would list for about $70-110 without the error.

Opinions on grade?

How much premium is it worth with the error?

Is it worth getting certified to increase resale value premium?

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 Posted 11/13/2007  11:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bonham3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi

I am not positive about this particular coin, but i
believe that in your pics. of the obv., the coin is not
in the true centered position to begin with.
Rotate the coin clockwise with the center of the head
at 12:00 oclock. Then flip the coin and see if it is
off axis. You will have to estimate. Usually any coin
that is less than 15 degrees off die axis rotation is only worth
it's collectors value (minus the error)I would do a little research
on this particular type of coin and see exactly what the true
position of the obv. is to begin with. I.E.: centered north to south etc.
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 Posted 11/13/2007  2:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Yechi,

Looks like you are interested in rotated dies! I have a nice Kennedy half with about a 270° rotation I could sell you, except it's an alteration! Someone hollowed out one half and ground down another, then glued them together to create the fake. Fortunately I found it in a bank roll so I only paid 50¢ for it.

Anyway, early large cents and Half Cents are frequently found with various degrees of rotation and usually don't cost extra because of it. The coin you show is no better than G-04 for details but nets out at Fair-02 because of corrosion and rim damage. The rotation adds no value. I would much rather have a nice G-04 with problem-free surfaces and no rotation. I would pass on this one.

Just my opinion, of course!
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 Posted 11/13/2007  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Rotated dies on old coppers is as common as they come. It is more the norm sometimes than not. No premium at all for the rotated dies on these. This is a 35 to 40 dollar coin at best, in this condition.

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 Posted 11/14/2007  12:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yechi7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fair price for this coin? Auction ends tomorrow.
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 Posted 11/14/2007  12:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I already suggested , no more than $40.00
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I would have to agree with others...this coin, with rim damage and what appears to be corrosion, along with the significant wear, doesn't even approach G-4 status, and it's value suffers as a result.

I won't put a dollar value on it...since in the end, it all depends on what the buyer is willing to pay. If YOU want the coin, decide what YOU think it's worth. The reality is that the value isn't great enough to warrant thinking of this coin as an investment. If you want if for your collection, great!

Good luck. I love the 18th century American coins, and can understand why you are after one.
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