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Abraided Die What Is It

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 Posted 11/15/2007  2:11 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add johnb1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
i bought a lincon cent graded by anacs that is a ms63 red 2002,
abraided die. what is an abraided die?
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 Posted 11/15/2007  2:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errorcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A die which has had the surface of the die face, including any design, altered, removed, ground down, rubbed, scraped, or worn away by the intentional use of an abrasive.

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Errorcoins gave a very good definition but I would also like to add something- this is a process done at the US Mint to dies that have been clashed, i.e. damaged by striking each other instead of a planchet. Once the clash marks are removed from the dies, they are put back in service. Clashing is probably the most common reason for this treatment but other things can occur to the dies that would warrant abraiding as well.
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 Posted 11/15/2007  3:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errorcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bio, excellent add on, good explanation of why it is done.

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got pics?

never really have seen a good example
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Sometimes coins get submitted as a variety. Doubled die or RPM. Well what that need is an explanation to why the coin is not that. Some third party grading services will body bag a coin as cleaned/damaged/scratched. Some will give it a grade because of the problem coin and reduce the grade. In this case they noticed the abraded die issue and added it to the description. The owner may have submitted it that way. But here is an example of an abraded die.
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Note on the Date and Mint mark the appearance of doubling. Not mechanical/not a doubled die/not a RPM. When you look at the distortion on the coin it is die fatigue/abraded that made the marks on it. Why do we know it is die wear? Note the flow lines on the distorted areas. If it were mechanical it would be smooth/pushed doubling. This is not as you can see lines in the flow area. The mint mark shows extreme wear on the die also. I bought the coin as through a Lupe it appeared to be a RPM. At that point a known RPM for that year hadn't been discovered yet. But by closer examination by Chuck, he came to the conclusion that it is die abrasion. If you have his book you can see the image on 54 for of his book. Probably one of the strongest examples I've seen and glad he included it in his book.
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these are the best pictures I can get through the holder abe's beard is the only thing that looks off to me.

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Any heavy polishing/cleaning of dies will wear/abraid them. That enough in one place for the note on the holder. Some may feel that is a die variety. But not so. The die was not hubbed with that missing details in the EDS (Early Die State) Only after cleanings from clashes or heavy wear will make a die look like that with missing details. The only area affected is all it took to show their point.
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