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1954 S Jefferson, What Kind Of "S" Is This ?

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I have finally mastered the art of photographic detail. This is on the back of a 1954 nickel. Is it a damaged punch and rpm ?

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Probably if you checked on different devices, you might find the same doubling in other places if it is Machine Doubling. But it maybe a RPM. I just can't tell for sure with that image.
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It was posted 14 mar 2015 under "1954 S Jefferson rpm or omm? lots of pics.
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If it has already been posted, why did you post it again

You should have just posted to the existing thread.
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I didn't know how to get a good picture of it.
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Here is the original thread 1954 S Jefferson RPM or OMM ? that I have locked to keep discussions in one place.

I have also updated your thread title.
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Thanks Fuzzy317, this was taken in my prior photographic life.

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I looked on the link, a couple of pictures are good enough to show md, but I'm not seeing any. Could this be an unlisted 1954?
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You might try taking a show through a magnifying glass/loupe to enlarge it. The shots through a microscope is what I'm used to.
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I have tried various strength glasses and loupes, they all show blurry. I know lots of people do it, but i'll be darned if I know how. That is the exact image I see when I view it through a loupe. The second image posted here is about what is seen with the naked eye.
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A fellow numistisist sent me the following " Coin World" article about his first major variety discovery coin, after he happened to notice a rather odd proof nickel I had listed on the Bay, was an exact match to a second major variety nickel* that he discovered over 10 years ago!

*(1971-S Proof Nickel with an extra raised device between the uprights of the U in UNUM on the reverse. See recent thread about it here:

https://goccf.com/t/196147

Anyway,
I thought this would be the perfect thread in which to post this article, in an effort to shine a light on this lone, hardly known, rare variety that was discovered in 1987, and still to this day, has not been confirmed by a second coin.
Therefore, he continues to actively search for another identical nickel, which he jokingly refers to as, his "Great White Elephant".



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I hope I made the pics large enough to read the text.

Unfortunately, I feel that the typos found within the photo captions, take away from the article, by causing immediate confusion of the reader's total recall by erroneously referring the variety as a 1945-S instead of a 1954-S.

As I look at the OP's nickel, I can clearly see that it too, has something going on above and beneath the original MM.

The million dollar question is... is it an OMM/RPM? Unfortunately unless you find another identical example to prove that rationale, you will likely never know.

Just my five cents.....
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 Posted 03/26/2015  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for info, JDRMCB. I found this one, so I guess my odds of finding another are pretty good [at least as good as anyone else's]. Right now I'm gonna break out my 54 S rolls and start looking. Later
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I am still not sure what to call it. There are clearly two S's and I guess the lower portion denotes a well known damaged punch. There is no MD on the coin as evidenced by all the pics in these two combined posts. True, it needs another to be verified. But what do I call it? I know JDRMCB, you said OMM/RPM, could it not be a RPM with a damaged punch? It would be very helpful to name it correctly in order to locate another.
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I don't know if I can call it "clearly 2 S's" especially in a place known to develop problems during striking wear and stress on almost every single issue ever minted. There are some very tight places in the area of a mint mark which are prone to fills and chips because such small extensions of metal on the die don't stand up well to 150 tons of striking pressure.

Point being, there are very plausible - indeed, more likely - explanations for this, considering the unlikelihood of finding a new variety on a 60 year old coin. It's not impossible that this is a new OMM, but Occam's Razor is in play.
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If it is very slight Machine Doubling, it is not a RPM. A RPM is on the die, not caused by the strike. So I would still need to see very closely which this is. So I'm waiting for a close up to tell for sure.

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Ok I will get on it. Thank you both.
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