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1859..dp 9 #4..as Previousely Discussed..

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 Posted 03/28/2015  2:31 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Here is a nice example of a late stage DP 9 #4..


BTW...I really like the way that okie's "vanilla cent" phrase has caught on..

It should "at this rate" make it into the books in the near future...(here's hoping)

This DP 9 was mis-identified way back when..but it's a nice #4..

The inner loop shows well as does the tail at the right bottom and the doubling of the 5 is very pronounced also..

The bottom of the 9 is not nearly as pronounced as the Charlton example shows,..but is still visible in this very late example.. The arrows follow the bottom DP ring..and then take note of some of the other anomalies in the DP #4.

The huge splitting die crack from the rim up into leaf 7 and over into leaf 6 is another great marker for this tough variety..
It's mine....so I'll never call it "vanilla" although some others may..

Dr. Haxby has given us a wealth of knowledge in pursuing our "fun 59's"..I'm learning something new about them everyday..

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It is still as nice as when I saw it in Toronto.
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Thanks Rob...Your valued feedback and time given to me is always appreciated..



If we thought of getting into die states as a method of valuing our 59's ,..it could get very murky ..

As okie has brought up before,..

Try to find the perfect 59,.,that is one without any doubling in the date..or re-cutting of the leaves,..or the legend or the obverse legend.. no re-punching in the letters on either side allowed in this search....

That's a very very tough one to find ,..or next to impossible..and therefore the "rarest of them all".. A "pure vanilla" without any variety to be found on that 59..
.. struck off of the new perfect die from the perfect matrix.

..But supposedly not very collectable as there isn't a variety in it..and of no added premium..(food for thought)


Here are a few more pics ..with some details showing up better..


The rim die crack shows better here,..as does the large RP in the 5. ..better pics are always needed.

Cracks appear all over this cent and the die was surely on it's last legs ..

...but I can see only the fewest and finest of contacts on this cent..and that's what persuaded me to buy this coin ~30 years ago..
some of the fine lines showing in the 9 and around it, are on the surface plastic and many come from the ICCS double plastic and are not on this cent..

Naturally it's one of my favorites..

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Yes, Okie/Bill did indeed have a little brainstorm with "vanilla" and when he first used it with me it was in connection with 1859s. As for your late state #4, it is a very beautiful example. What flavor a potential buyer in an auction would find it is anybody's guess -- probably somewhere north of vanilla but south of tuti-fruity.

In most cases die state should have little influence on the value of a variety, but surely it must have an effect when a later die state negatively impacts the very feature that results in the variety having a significant premium in the first place.

By the way, this is one of the very few cases where I have been tempted to discuss values, even in a general way. I very much prefer to step back and appreciate the items for their beauty and academic interest and leave valuation issues to others.
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