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My 1st Ancient

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 Posted 03/28/2015  6:58 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CopperCastle to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I branched out of my comfort zone & picked this guy up today. My very 1st ancient!
He had enough detail to intrigue me. Not sure if it's 330-335 or 336-337. I admittedly know very little about ancients... I know this is Constantine & I think bronze. That's about it.

Any thoughts/comments appreciated.
Thanks.


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Congrats man!
For all intents and purposes the coin is copper. Originally they were silvered, but most of the time that wore off quickly.
Your ( awesome ) coin was struck between 330-336 CE.
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 Posted 03/28/2015  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice coin.
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 Posted 03/28/2015  7:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrkramer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin, are you going to start adding more ancients to your collection, or is this just a one off thing?
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Two soldiers standing, holding spears and shields, and two military standards between them."

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Nice coin, are you going to start adding more ancients to your collection, or is this just a one off thing?


Thanks guys. I am a big fan of Marcus Aurelius & plan to get get a Denarius when I find the right example @ a good price.
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I can't find that mint mark anywhere. Any ideas?
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 Posted 03/28/2015  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Topcat7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

I am sorry to be the bearer of sad tidings, but I do not believe that this coin is a 'genuine' coin.
I believe this coin to be a 'reproduction' (or fake).
I do not claim to be right, but that is my thought and you did ask for thoughts. Sorry.
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 Posted 03/28/2015  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Augustus Maximus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The more I look at the reverse, the more I think TC is correct. Can you tell us who you purchased this coin from?
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Lost Dutchman Rare Coins in Indianapolis. I originally went there to have an on-site speacilist authenticate 2 Spanish Reales that I had picked up @ an antique mall.
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 Posted 03/29/2015  12:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add augustus1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it genuine. The style is just right and it is a very common type.
The mintmark is from Rome: RBP, which RIC attributes to 330-331.
RIC Rome 335.
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Another 'ancients' victim!
Come and join in with us, in the group therapy sessions, here in the CCF.
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 Posted 03/29/2015  03:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biancasdad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Augustus, genuine
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I reserve judgement .....

It could be real
Or it may be one of the high quality fakes which have appeared in the past ten years.

Thirty years ago it was not even a question. No one bothered to fake a common Constantine AE as they could be had for a few dollars apiece ! But now they are being 'salted' into uncleaned lots and the quality is frighteningly good !

Two things I see which may be important.

A) The portrait is unusually good - almost lifelike rather than the cartoonish image which became common from Diocletian onwards.

B) The patination is of a type which can be faked.

I don't know whether it is genuine or not ! The problem with these types is that it usually costs more money to authenticate the coin than the initial price paid for the coin ! Then add the fact that if the type is being salted into uncleaned lots of coins you will get more than a few "believers" who feel certain it is genuine.

The forgeries are getting better everyday ! At least if the portrait of Constantine had a beard and moustache we could be fairly certain that something was not right !
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I agree with FR
That said, I do hope that it is genuine.
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 Posted 03/29/2015  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Whizb4ng to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The bust looks to be of similar style to this one here: http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1643463

Personally, I think it looks fine. Additionally, I trust LDRC. While he does generally focus on modern coins he has a good knowledge base for ancients and if he does feel he is outside of his knowledge base he will ask the opinion of experienced ancient collectors on another forum I frequent.

However, if you do have a doubt the coin is authentic I am sure Matt at LDRC wouldn't be opposed to refunding the purchase.
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