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Hey all! It seems I disappear from here from months at a time, and then only come back when I have a question or something troubling me. Sorry  . Anyhow, the thing troubling me this time is not knowing exactly how KM numbers work. I realise they're this thing that they're this number set by the group of people who basically just run a magazine, but how do they set them? Is there an online (free) resource I can use to get a list of all the KM numbers of a country? I'd have posted this question in the World Coins subforum, but I figured that since KM numbers are applicable to almost all coins, it'd fit here. My main issue is that I have a number of commemorative Pakistani coins that don't seem to have an assigned KM number. The resources I've checked are NGC's World Coin Price Guide and Numista (where I was the one who had to enter some of the coins myself, since they weren't in the DB). The unnumbered coins are as follows: 20 Rupees (150 Years Celebrations of Lawrence College)25 Rupees (Navy Submarine Force)20 Rupees (Year of Friendly Exchange)20 Rupees (Islamia College)Are KM numbers added in chronological order? If that is the case then I can assume that since the last one listed in numista and NGC's price guide is 71, I'll just go chronologically from there, so the list I provided would be 72, 73, 74 and 75? EDIT: Sorry for the constant edits, seems I'm being a doofus with how the url code works. Edited by Babar
03/29/2015 06:12 am
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If all you do is stop here once every six months to ask a question as beneficial to the audience as this, then you're a good member.  Near as I can tell, Krause numbers are assigned by the Editors of the publication. Wonder if they're maybe a little behind the power curve? Drop them a note: http://www.krausebooks.com/contacts |
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Hahah...thanks :D!
Thing is, I'm not sure they're not being efficient and timely. I just don't have any recent Standard Catalogue of World Coins, and can't find anything online that would list such information.
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Are KM numbers added in chronological order? If that is the case then I can assume that since the last one listed in numista and NGC's price guide is 71, I'll just go chronologically from there, so the list I provided would be 72, 73, 74 and 75? In theory, yes, Krause sorts coins chronologically, in the order they are issued. So if you are aware of all of the new issues of a certain country (including all NCLT issues) and the exact order in which they were issued, then yes, you can predict with reasonable accuracy what the new numbers for coins are going to be. I would assume your coins are still "too new" to be included yet. It can take several years for Krause to get around to allocating numbers to coins from certain countries - it depends to a large extent on whether or not they have people they consider to be a reliable expert in-country to advise them of new issues. Krause also likes to get some kind of official confirmation from the issuing authority (government, central bank or mint) about the legal tender status of coinage issues before deciding whether the new coins are to be considered "coins" or not. "Unofficial" or "fantasy" coins are not given KM numbers and they'd rather take the time to get it right first time than rush to print and have to change their minds a few years later. I don't know about right now, but I know in the past that there were some countries for which coins were issued over ten years earlier and they had not yet appeared in Krause. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Thanks for the info, Sap!
Yeah, I'm pretty certain about the order of the coins, my info comes from the online press releases of the State Bank of Pakistan, and the only new coins issued by them in the past few years have been commemoratives, and I'm pretty sure they're official.
I'll go ahead and number them, then, thanks again!
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If all you do is stop here once every six months to ask a question as beneficial to the audience as this, then you're a good member. Well I learned something today, which is what the M in KM represents. I never knew it. I always meant to search for it, but would find something else along the way. |
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If all you do is stop here once every six months to ask a question as beneficial to the audience as this, then you're a good member.
What if it is every 2 years? :P I've run into a related problem now, where I know that a certain date is dated wrong in NGCcoin and numista (I don't have access to updated KM records). See, in 2015, Pakistan released a coin commemorating 100 years of Islamia College Peshawar. Except it was commemorating the date of 1913-2013. In 2015. Confusing, especially since the coin wasn't dated otherwise. Note the date: http://www.sbp.org.pk/press/2015/IC...3-Mar-15.pdf (that's the press release from the website of the State Bank of Pakistan, the body that decides what coins to release, and under which the Pakistan Mint comes). However, online you find this: https://www.NGCcoin.com/price-guide...duid-1833575https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces71950.htmlIt's really messing up my dating system! Does someone have access to the KM catalogue who can tell what the it says on this coin? |
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What if it is every 2 years? :P Fair enough.  back! |
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Coins with "false dates" are not uncommon, especially for certain countries. Ethiopia and Thailand were both notorious for issuing coins with "fixed dates", perhaps even struck decades after the date that appears on the coin. The catalogues don't really have much choice; they file the coin under the date that appears on the coin, because anyone who buys one of these coins without knowing the story of their issue will look up "2013" in the catalogue, because that's what the coin actually says. When Krause actually know that a coin was issued in a different year, they will usually put a "Note" explaining the actual year of issue. For example, here's one of the "frozen date" coins of Ethiopia; the coin is dated 1936 in the Ethiopian calendar, which equates to AD 1943-44, but you can see the note explaining they were actually struck anywhere between 1944 and 1975. The entry for the Pakistan coin does not have any such note. The NGC website you linked to above, uses data copied directly out of the Krause catalogues. They usually copy over all the Notes about a coin as well. So the information that appears there on the NGC page should be exactly the same as the information that appears in the Krause catalogue. Since there is no note explaining the coin was actually issued in 2015, it seems likely to me that Krause does not know the actual year of issue. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pakistan
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Thanks for the welcome, and thanks for the detailed reply!
I don't know what good it'll do, but I've contacted Krause through the link SsuperDdave gave, detailing the mistake. Who knows!
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Yes the #s are assigned by the editors. They don't always know of every new coin. I actually emailed the new editor and she had #s assigned for the 2014 Commemorative Kennedy halves in about 2 months. THis was after about six fruitless attempts to contact them through their customer service page. -----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/ |
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I feel your pain. I have a 14 inch double row box (about 200 coins) that don't have KM #'s yet.
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I stopped adding KM numbers to my world coins in 2X2s. Now I'm regretting that decision because it would make them easier to look up...
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05/03/2017 09:31 am
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Pakistan
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Wonders never cease! I got a reply from K&M (after their automated reply that comes right after you send the email): Quote:
Hello Babar,
Thank you for your email.
I've forwarded it to our numis expert for review.
Have a great day! Who knows, something may be done about it! Edited by Babar
05/04/2017 12:06 pm
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That is a step in the right direction.  |
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And a second step! Quote:
Here is what I received from our numis expert.
Our date field is reflective of the date as seen on the coin, when an actual minting or release date is far off from the date on the field of the coin at most we note this in footnote form, which is what I will do in this case. The date however, will remain as 2013, as that is all a person who posses the coin can reasonable know, what they can read on the coin.
Have a great day! So it is as Sap said. Now I guess I just have to grind my teeth and use the 2013 date on my own cataloguing system...or maybe I won't! EDIT: 200th post! And it just took me 5 years to do it. Here's to another 200 in another 5! :P Edited by Babar
05/04/2017 8:38 pm
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