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Looks like one to me---a start of a clip.
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I think I have seen the exact same thing on a 2000 penny but I can't find mine, must have lost it.  I'm thinking it's some sort of a die gouge. Just doesn't look right to be a clip, especially because the rim is perfect and not cut. Edited by Altaira
03/29/2015 8:29 pm
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I'm wondering if it is possible for this (I'll call it for now) "partial clip" to have happened during blanking, then when in the upsetting mill, the partial clip that would have been at the rim, becomes buried? I've taken an angled shot. Just for more reference, not to try to substantiate my somewhat ignorant guess...  Edited by steve123
03/29/2015 8:45 pm
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Looks like a piece of Rim Fin or bur folded over and struck in. IMO it goes under the rim Edited by Alexer
03/29/2015 9:05 pm
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The fact that the clip slice is under the rim satisfies my logic that it is a start of a planchet clip. When the planchet is struck , the lower die forces metal into the collar formation compressing that metal into rim material. That rim material is clean and forms a unmarked rim precisely because it is not a full clip. It goes under the rim because the planchet is sliced, not cut right through. But we need a close up photo of the other side of the bur or Rim Fin to make sure it is not a piece of stray metal shavings. |
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I'll try to take a good shot of the other side of it tonight.
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There's something on the opposite rim near DG.
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lambecolin: Here are a couple of other shots from a new angle.   kbbpll: This is the opposite side above D.G.. This is probably what you are looking at, but I don't think it relates?  |
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I don't know much about "Blakesley effect" other than it's on opposite rim, so I figured I'd point it out. Edit: I guess Blakesley is caused by the missing metal opposite on a "real" clip so probably doesn't apply here since nothing is missing.
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03/30/2015 6:17 pm
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I think it's a mark on the die itself, Steve, similar to a tool mark. I've seen several variations of this mark on pennies 1997 - 2001. Yours is a good strong mark; keep your eyes open and you may find a twin to this coin. I'll check my collection and see if I have a mate to it myself.
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03/30/2015 7:59 pm
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Thanks, all and Pennysaver. I'll put it aside!
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It may well be the die if we can match a few so here's another one I found near instantly. 1998  |
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I'm changing my mind on this one-------Not a burr or extra metal shavings---thinking about how clips originate I would want to see more examples of partial start clips. Sooo---I now vote for die problems--following "Pennyman"
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I wish I can find where I put mine, I remember running my fingernail on it to make sure it was raised. No matter how hard I look it's just not on my desk anymore  |
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